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Camber Profiles: Camber vs Rocker vs Flat vs Hybrids

CAMBER PROFILES EXPLAINED

It's important to understand there is no best camber profile. Each different profile provides various advantages, disadvantages, and riding characteristics. It really depends on the riding conditions and your particular riding style as to what suits you best. Maybe you're after stability and carving performance, maybe you want a loose park board for learning new tricks, maybe you want a versatile ride - there's countless options. The following article will provide you with the basic characteristics of each camber profile. It's important to understand how they all work and how they ride. I want to open up this article for discussion. Please feel free to ask questions and I will be happy to help you. Please note: most of these diagrams have been exaggerated somewhat to illustrate a point. In reality, the camber and rocker sections might be to a lesser degree or in a slightly different area of the board. The illustrations only portray the basic profile.

CAMBER

Camber is the most tried and tested camber profile. Until a few years ago, nearly all boards were camber. Camber provides stability, edging performance, energy, and pop. Advantages: Stable at speeds, great for carving, more pop, lots of energy (rebound) out of turns. Disadvantages: Less forgiving, more 'catchy' when compared to other profiles, requires more effort to turn. Camber Profiles: Camber vs Rocker vs Flat vs Hybrids

ROCKER

Rocker — also referred to as "reverse camber" — loosens the snowboard, giving it a "skatey" feel. The first thing you will notice is they are much easier and quicker to turn. They are easier to press than cambered boards — good for learning flatground tricks. Another huge advantage is how well they float in powder. Advantages: Easy turning, easy to press, forgiving (less 'catchy'), floats well in powder. Disadvantages: Less stable, less pop, reduced edging performance, washes out easier. Camber Profiles: Camber vs Rocker vs Flat vs Hybrids

FLAT

Flat — also known as "zero camber" — is the middle ground between camber and rocker. Combining the benefits of both, flat camber is a versatile option and often used in park boards. They are super stable for riding rails, due to the flat section between the bindings. Advantages: Versatile, excellent for rails. Disadvantages: Some riders say flat camber has a 'dead' and/or 'damp' feeling. It's not quite camber and not quite rocker — so you're missing out on the advantages of the other profiles. Camber Profiles: Camber vs Rocker vs Flat vs Hybrids

HYBRID (TYPE A)

The hybrid camber profile seen below features rocker between the feet and camber under the feet. Many snowboard companies use this profile under various names, including Burton's Flying V, Lib Tech's C2 Banana, and many others. The benefit of this profile is versatility; it provides 'looseness' due to rocker between the feet and float in powder for the same reason. While camber under the feet gives edge hold and some degree of stability and pop, however not as much a full cambered board. Generally, this profile feels more like a rocker than camber. Advantages: Versatile, loose feel and easy turning, floats well in powder, provides better edge hold and pop than full rocker. Disadvantages: Can feel unstable on rails, not as stable at speeds as camber or CamRock. Camber Profiles: Camber vs Rocker vs Flat vs Hybrids

HYBRID (TYPE B)

The hybrid camber profile seen below features camber between the feet and rocker at the nose and tail of the board — referred to as "CamRock" (YES. Snowboards). The benefit of CamRock is high performance versatility; it provides stability, edge hold, and pop. Rocker at the nose and tail enables quicker and easier turn initiation. The rocker makes it easier to press, and also provides additional float in powder. Generally, this profile feels more like a cambered board than a rockered board, while maintaining many of the benefits of rocker. Advantages: Stability, edging performance, versatility, while maintaining many benefits of rocker. Disadvantages: Can feel slightly 'washy' at the nose and tail compared to camber. Camber Profiles: Camber vs Rocker vs Flat vs Hybrids

POWDER / S ROCKER

"Powder Rocker" or "S Rocker'" is often seen in dedicated freeride and powder boards. Most the boards utilising this camber profile have a setback stance, with the rider's stance being somewhat centred over the camber section at the back of the board. This provides stability underfoot, while the significant rockered nose provides excellent float in powder and quick turning (think tight powder lines through trees). As the rider exerts force through the board, the camber section flattens, causing the nose to lift up even further for increased float in powder. Generally, this camber profile doesn't ride switch very well due to the directional nature. Advantages: Specialist powder profile for excellent performance in powder. Disadvantages: Not versatile, doesn't ride switch well. Camber Profiles: Camber vs Rocker vs Flat vs Hybrids

  • Mizu Kuma on
    Sweet article!!!!! Might wanna include alternative names that some people/companies call rocker????? ie Reverse Camber, Negative Camber etc
  • rider26 on
    Good idea. Cheers mate.
  • Gamblor on
    how about flat with rockered tips? aka dirt rocker (smokin)
  • Andy Aitken on
    That is an awesome article Jez. You must have spent alot of time on that. It's really well written just the way it is, but u could also add disadvantages to the profiles... Although if u do, people might start getting a little bit :michelle: when they read something bad about their favorite camber.
  • Andy Aitken on
    Oh man, every comment on here so far is telling u to add something. Scratch mine, it's awesome as is.
  • mOOty on
    nice write up the ony thing i can suggest which will help people learning the profiles is that you have advantages but no disadvantages... for eg camber boards easy to catch edges.. rocker less pop etc..... and ya forgot TBT man!!! *edit didnt see Andys post scrolled past it but mines the same as his... but with TBT!!!
  • rider26 on
    Thanks guys. It's all good, no need to hold back your suggestions. I had those diagrams drawn up just for this article. Thanks to George Cant from Design Cartel for his help with that. He's super busy so it might be hard getting additional diagrams, however the diagrams up there were meant to represent the most common configurations. I'm going to write up another paragraph at the start, better explaining the differences and acknowledging the other camber configurations, i.e. flat middle, rocker tip and tail. I originally had disadvantages in there but took it out for now. I felt as though I was already repeating what I wrote in the paragraphs above. However they probably should be added. With TBT, can we really call that a camber profile? I feel that's a whole different area. Maybe another article even. Thoughts?
  • skip11 on
    I think TBT is another camber profile. Don't think you need another article. And I agree with gamblor, you may want to add the flat to rocker profile :P.
  • rider26 on
    I've actually hit the 6000 character limit on the article haha. I've acknowledged flat to rocker in the top paragraphs and I'll be happy to discuss it here if anyone has questions. TBT changes the shape/profile of the base, not the camber profile of the core. Thoughts?
  • humdingaling on
    TBT is a type of hybrid camber and specific to Bataleon and Lobster boards (don't know any others that use TBT) therefore if you want information on this best just goto the website http://www.bataleon.com/Page-SHAPES_34.aspx pretty much explains it in detail...only thing is to take it with a grain of salt as it is marketing to boast its benefits over other boards
  • finney on
    TBT changes the shape/profile of the base, not the camber profile of the core. Thoughts? Agreed - they still maintain a regular camber/rocker profile.
  • rider26 on
    More into on TBT in this video:
  • Andy Aitken on
    I've always wanted to try a TBT board. I think it's a great idea but I have no idea if it would work in real life. Very keen to try though.
  • mOOty on
    if you like very loose feel riding its awesome.... i think it would be beneficial more park riding then all mountain but then again i havnt been on a all mountain/freeride bataleon.... my airobic is kick arse i love it but not everyone likes the ride
  • skip11 on
    I've demoed it last spring. Didn't like it felt weird, maybe need a couple of days to get used to.
  • Mizu Kuma on
    Maybe ya need this pic of ya at the start of the article, Jez????? Bein an Engineer and all!!!!! ;-) http://i44.tinypic.com/34srs3m.jpg
  • rider26 on
    :coolhmm: :lol:
  • cords on
    Can someone tell me which camber profile Forum's "Chillydog with pop" fits into, please? And also whether it might suit a beginner who doesn't yet know what style of riding they will be into, but is keen to learn basic freestyle.
  • Mizu Kuma on
    Pretty sure its a full rocker!!!!! (hence its name, like a bent hot dog) I'm def no instructor, but I think a beginner will benifit more by learnin on a cambered board first!!!!!
  • NBG on
    Why would they benefit more on a cambered board?
  • blizzard_22 on
    I think being on reverse camber is way better and easier... just my 2c :shaka:
  • Mizu Kuma on
    I've heard that it teaches better edge control!!!!!
  • cords on
    I guess the question is whether riding a reverse camber will be "bad" for his riding. I've seen discussion on here with people saying it allows you to take shortcuts with your technique when initiating turns, which may harm development of your carving technique in the long run....but I guess it all depends where you want to head with your riding....and at this point this bloke has no idea, he just wants to learn and have some fun....so I'm guessing that it probably doesn't matter.
  • rider26 on
    Both answers are correct really. Rockered boards are easier to learn on, thus making the experience more fun, which gives the rider more confidence etc. Cambered boards require better technique to turn the board, so it makes them into a stronger rider right from the start. If a beginner is learning on a cambered board, I would suggest a board with a fairly soft flex pattern. Both options have their advantages and disadvantages.
  • cords on
    Cheers, rider. Atm we're looking at a Forum Manual (Chillydog with pop) for him.
  • chucky on
    Rockered boards are easier to learn on, thus making the experience more fun, which gives the rider more confidence etc. Having gone through the experience with beesekay, I'm of the opinion that not only are rockered boards FAR better for learning on, it's advisable to go for a 3 degree base bevel as well. It can mean the difference between a total beginner giving up after their first try, or getting that magic stoke. Cambered boards require better technique to turn the board, so it makes them into a stronger rider right from the start. Yep, once they've got their confidence linking turns at speed, THEN get 'em on a cambered board
  • jaspy94 on
    Rockered boards are easier to learn on, thus making the experience more fun, which gives the rider more confidence etc. Having gone through the experience with beesekay, I'm of the opinion that not only are rockered boards FAR better for learning on, it's advisable to go for a 3 degree base bevel as well. It can mean the difference between a total beginner giving up after their first try, or getting that magic stoke. Cambered boards require better technique to turn the board, so it makes them into a stronger rider right from the start. Yep, once they've got their confidence linking turns at speed, THEN get 'em on a cambered board Do you reckon its worth switching from rocker to a cambered board after say 2 decent seasons?... i'm sceptical because i don't want to find i hate it...
  • rider26 on
    Definitely give it a go. Maybe try one at a demo before you commit to buying one. You will find cambered boards are more stable, with more energy and pop. They also carve and hold an edge better than rockered boards. I strongly advice you to try different boards so you can feel the difference and make an informed decision based on your personal riding style. Welcome to Boardworld, jaspy94. :shaka:
  • ozgirl on
    Shit this post could be really embarrassing if i am wrong. BUT i def think the Burton Flying V was critical to my success on a board at the shred last year. I had a break through on that Board. I think cambered boards were a detriment to me! (i hope I am correct in assuming the flying V is a Rockered board?)
  • rider26 on
    The Burton Flying V is a hybrid camber profile; rocker between the feet, camber under the feet, rocker nose and tail. For sure you would have felt it was easier to turn than a full cambered board. HYBRID (TYPE A): The hybrid camber profile seen below features rocker between the feet and camber directly underneath the feet. Many snowboard companies use this profile under various names, including Burton's Flying V, Lib Tech's C2 Banana, Nitro's Gullwing Camber, and many others. The benefit of this particular camber profile is versatility; it provides 'looseness' due to rocker between the feet and float in powder for the same reason. While camber under the feet gives edge hold and some degree of stability and pop, however not as much a full cambered board. Most riders say this particular hybrid profile feels more like a rockered board than a cambered board. Advantages: Versatile, loose feel and easy turning, floats well in powder, provides better edge hold and pop than full rocker. Disadvantages: Can feel unstable on rails, not as stable at speeds as full camber.
  • croseks on
    My 2c... I've learnt on a el-cheapo standard camber board (FTWO Prime to be exact lol) and to be honest i dont think bieng on a reverse camber board would make the process any easier or make my ass hurt any less (because who learns park/butters/spins/etc... on their first few days??) However when it comes to technique camber DEFINITLEY teaches you to be always on edge which helps you progress A LOT faster! Once you learn to ride camber you can confidently ride RC, but same cant be said in reverese! :) Also for some reason a lot of people think that you NEED R.C. if you want to do park/butters etc... or that it makes it easier, IMO completely bull if you know the technique to do a butter/spin/ride boxes/rails, you can do it on ANY board and if you haven't got the technique you wont be able to do it on a reverse camber board either, no matter how expensive it is or how much R.C. its got! Ok rant is over :) loll
  • Andy Aitken on
    What your saying there Coseks certainly makes sense in a lot of ways. It's a popular view from most camber riders. And nothing you said was wrong, just a different approach. Before I get into it I should tell you that I'm a camber rider too, and I love camber. But I have a different opinion on it. Basically what you are saying is Rocker has no place. There is no need for rocker when camber can teach you better and is better at a higher level. I do agree that camber is more aggressive at a higher level but the problem is, it's also more aggressive at a lower level whether you like it or not. Watching my students learn on different boards, the one thing I can say for sure is: Learning on a camber and learning on a rocker ARE different. The techniques practiced are the same, but the rate of progression, confidence levels and the skills you are left with after a lesson are different. I've noticed a rise in rental boards being rocker these days and I gotta tell you. As a teacher I LOVE IT. Students catch less edges, there are less injuries, and because their confidence levels are higher, they generally progress much faster. As for riding in the park, I totally agree. The profile of your board is strickly a personal choice in park riding. Any trick is possible on any board.
  • oli_the_thread on
    Hey guys, first time poster here from the UK! I'm fairly new to snowboarding probably 10hours on the snow so far with more to come between now and holiday in March (andorra), but feel like im progressing well and picking it up at a decent rate. I don't doubt it gets asked all the time "which is best for me" etc etc but I've seen a nice board at my local store which is in the sale at a good price (2012 K2 lifelike) I've done a bit of internet searching and it sounds like the kind of board I'd be into, I'll not be spending my days in the park, but I come from a BMX background and at some point will feel the need to hit a jump of some sort. Now the K2 is a flat board (specs here http://www.snowboard-review.com/snowboard_reviews/review/Lifelike/ ) and I just want to make sure I'm not going to jump onto this and hate it. I dont think I will (it HAS to be better than what im riding currently) Just I dont see too many flat boards out there. at 6'2" and around 95kgs I'd be on a 161 I know that much for sure So I guess I'm just asking, will I massively regret it, or will it be pretty easy to pick up with? Thanks in advance Oli
  • rider26 on
    In a nutshell, I think you'll like the Lifelike. It's going to be a versatile ride whether you're riding park or the mountain. There's nothing wrong with flat camber profiles. Their advantage is their versatility, and they are really good on rails. Please feel free to start a new thread about your board options. Welcome to Boardworld, Oli. :coolsmile:
  • Jean-Thomas on
    Hello guys, I have been riding since 15 years and would like to buy a new board. I always had a camber board and now I discover that most boards are "hybrid" which seems pretty great when I read what it does. But I got totally confused when I read that there were 2 types of hybrid camber: - Type A: camber-rocker-camber - Type B: rocker-camber-rocker I mostly ride on groomers 75% of the time and do some small jumps (although I would like to try to make some 360). In terms of boards, I had seen those: - Type 1: Lib Tech Jamie Lynn, Lib Tech TRS, Never Summer Heritage, Never Summer SL - Type B: Jones Mountain Twin, Capita Totally Fkn Awesome, Capita Dan Brisse, Capita BSOD I would ideally like a board that handles well speed and that eases landings when I try to do some 360. What type of hybrid would you recommend? Thanks a million fr your help ;-) JT
  • skip11 on
    Both works well. It depends on your preference and also the stiffness of the board. For type 1, boards like the Lib T.Rice, Jamie Lynn, NS heritage will handle speed really well because that's what they're designed for (hard charging, all mountain freestyle). Same with type 2. I found type 2 is less catchy at the tips because the contact points is always off the snow where as C2, NS RC, type camber the contact will always be touching the snow. I rode the T.Rice for about 2 seasons and I really love that board. I just got YES PYL which is the camrock profile, demoed it last spring and really love it too. So if you can, demo the boards.
  • chucky on
    Yeah, skip echoes my feelings on the subject. For me, by far the biggest drawcard of rocker is the forgiveness and playfulness of a raised tip and tail - so I see no sense in camber-rocker-camber, I may as well just go straight camber. It's rocker-camber-rocker all the way for me, and I think that will eventually be the industry standard along with straight camber.
  • Jean-Thomas on
    Hello you 2, thanks for your answers! So if I understood correctly, both of those hybrid profile will handle speed on groomers well if I go for a board that is stiff. And in terms of landing a 360, which one would be the easiest, more catchfree? I had the feeling that the camber-rocker-camber was more catchfree because of the rocker between the feet, but it seems you guys are saying the opposite?
  • skip11 on
    As far as being catch free, rocker-camber-rocker is more catch free in my opinion. Technically any board regardless of flex can go fast, but a medium stiff to stiff board will handle speed better. I like both profile to be honest, just a different ride.
  • deanobruce on
    I had the feeling that the camber-rocker-camber was more catchfree because of the rocker between the feet, but it seems you guys are saying the opposite? nah mate complete opposite, the points that "catch" are the contact points on the ends of your board
  • Jean-Thomas on
    okido, so if I had a camber board for 15 years already and like to be mostly on groomers, you recommend I go with rocker-camber-rocker. I am indeed afraid that if I go with camber-rocker-camber the ride will feel "too" different from what I use to know and might feel unstable (altough I have read that Lib Tech boards like the Jamie Lynn are pretty stable at speed). It's quite a difficult choice to make and unfortunetally I can't try those boards as I live very far away from the mountain and snow ;-)
  • skip11 on
    camber-rocker-camber will not feel unstable at all. It might be a little squirelly if you 1 foot it or totally flat base it, but far from being unstable. I rode a Lib T.Rice with C2 for about 60 days and it's not too "different" from a cambered board on edge. I find that rocker-camber-rocker is a bit more loose than camber-rocker-camber if the camber in the middle is not pronounced (aka some Rossi boards, some YES boards only have like 1.5mm of camber and lots of rocker at the nose).
  • Jean-Thomas on
    By loose, you mean a little less stable at speed? If I need to choose between easier landings or stability on groomers: I prefer to choose stability. To land a 360 with a CRC profile is still way easier than a regular camber right?
  • Fledz on
    I've got a CRC (camber at feet, rocker at middle and ends - GNU Riders Choice) and it is super stable at speed. Just did a PB of 80.2km/h a couple of hours ago and had no problems. It's also a great profile for powder on Whistler too :)
  • skip11 on
    Loose meaning, that the contact points are not touching the snow, I wouldn't say less stable. If you're comfortable with the board, you can make it as stable as you want.
  • Jean-Thomas on
    Hi guys, Thanks for all your help and tips. After a lot of reading and discussions, I'll go with a RCR and will pick a Jones Moutain Twin. I still hesitate on 157 or 160 though (I am 1.82 and 80kg), but Jones Moutain Twin it will be :-) Thanks for all this discussion about cambers was pretty interesting :-) JT
  • deanobruce on
    umm around either will be fine i am 1.75m and weigh around 82kgs and i ride a 154 and a 159
  • Fledz on
    Go shorter (157). I'm 197cm/95kg and I ride a 162.
  • skip11 on
    I'm 5'5" 150lbs, I ride a 156. If I were you I'd go for the 160, since you don't do park much.
  • chemisiq on
    Hi guys, a new joiner in the forum here. Thank you for the very comprehensive post, rider26. I am a beginner-intermediate goofy snowboarder currently looking into Rocker-Flat-Rocker snowboard (ex: K2 Grenade). What is the benefit of this board in comparison to Rocker-Chamber-Rocker board (ex: Flow Merc)? I mainly ride all-mountain freeride on major powdery/ minor slushy terrain. Open to any suggestion for board type. Thanks.