OK to sell stuff here?
That’s fair enough, I think the position is redundant when it comes to buying gear online, I think it has no place whatsoever when it comes to a 2nd hand gear buy/sell area of the forum. It would be interesting to start a poll to see a number of things eg:
1.Where do you buy your snow gear
a. all online
b. mostly online and a little from retail store
c. some online and some from retail retail
d. a little online and mostly from retail
e. all retail
2. If you do buy online where do you buy it from
a. All OS online store
b. Mostly OS online store and some Aus online store
c. Some OS online store and some Aus online store
d. A little OS online store and mostly Aus online store
e. All Aus online store
Somehow I don’t see that poll being brought to life but it would be interesting as long as people answered it honestly.
From what I can remember, and don’t quote me on this, most of the tariffs on car imports were removed, BMW and Mercedes didn’t bother changing their prices as they felt the market was happy to bear the premium. I think a lot of manufacturers continued with their existing pricing models much the same as the Germans.
Some light reading
http://news.drive.com.au/drive/motor-feature/a-quick-buck-the-high-price-of-luxury-downunder-20110415-1dgy7.html
Just as the engineers at your company wouldn’t have supported the undergrads scheme, and for the same reason that cords finds the video conference concept ridiculous (even though it already exists in the education and medical sectors among countless others atm), for the very same reason, that bein a threat to their own career!!!!!
Surely this is a gee-up. I am not the least worried about my career, I couldn’t give a tinker’s cuss. I’m not in the least bit career-focused and never have been. I nearly (but not quite, cos we haven’t actually met!) find it offensive that you would imply that I would/could be that selfish.
Now I find it necessary to explain why I think the concept is ridiculous - it is because (aside from the logisitical improbabilities of which there are so many that I don’t have time to write them all but reckon if you thought for 2 seconds you could come up with ten of them) there is no possible way, it can be better for any child’s education. Sure it might save some money, but if it could somehow be implemented, I can’t see any way it could anything but terrible outcomes.
Have you ever done any online study, Mizu? I’m doing my master’s online this year and I’m finding it extremely difficult…not the content, but figuring out what the teacher actually wants from me! Online study for adults (as in the medical sector you mention) can be very convenient but my own experience questions its effectiveness and value. I’m a learner and I need a proper teacher. Emailing and the odd phone call are no substitute for being in the teacher’s presence.
I can’t see why educating children in this fashion would be anything but detrimental. I’m not at all precious and I would be happy to be proven wrong. If someone can explain and demonstrate to me how teachers are for the most part obsolete and how kids might be better off in their learning and personal lives (cos you’re not just teaching the information in the subject, surely you understand that), I’d give it up for the better method tomorrow, and find something else to do with myself.
That’s fair enough, I think the position is redundant when it comes to buying gear online, I think it has no place whatsoever when it comes to a 2nd hand gear buy/sell area of the forum. It would be interesting to start a poll to see a number of things eg:
1.Where do you buy your snow gear
a. all online
b. mostly online and a little from retail store
c. some online and some from retail retail
d. a little online and mostly from retail
e. all retail2. If you do buy online where do you buy it from
a. All OS online store
b. Mostly OS online store and some Aus online store
c. Some OS online store and some Aus online store
d. A little OS online store and mostly Aus online store
e. All Aus online storeSomehow I don’t see that poll being brought to life but it would be interesting as long as people answered it honestly.
From what I can remember, and don’t quote me on this, most of the tariffs on car imports were removed, BMW and Mercedes didn’t bother changing their prices as they felt the market was happy to bear the premium. I think a lot of manufacturers continued with their existing pricing models much the same as the Germans.Some light reading
http://news.drive.com.au/drive/motor-feature/a-quick-buck-the-high-price-of-luxury-downunder-20110415-1dgy7.html
you need to add 3 more categories:
did you buy used from a friend?
did you buy used from someone on a forum?
did you buy used off an auction site?
That’s fair enough, I think the position is redundant when it comes to buying gear online, I think it has no place whatsoever when it comes to a 2nd hand gear buy/sell area of the forum.
Sellin second hand gear on here is similar to sellin ya car on the side of the road!!!!! The car yards soon lobby councils to get rid of the cars by puttin in landscapin and parking signs etc etc!!!!! they see it as unfair when they have to pay overheads/licenses/meet govt requirements and guidelines etc etc!!!!!
From what I can remember, and don’t quote me on this, most of the tariffs on car imports were removed, BMW and Mercedes didn’t bother changing their prices as they felt the market was happy to bear the premium. I think a lot of manufacturers continued with their existing pricing models much the same as the Germans.
Some light reading
http://news.drive.com.au/drive/motor-feature/a-quick-buck-the-high-price-of-luxury-downunder-20110415-1dgy7.html
Pretty sure that we still have tariffs, and if you purchased a car from OS, then tried to bring it into Aus you will see that not only will it be a complicated process, but will come at a lot more cost to you than the original price of the vehicle and freight!!!!!
You most likely would’ve sussed some of that stuff out while lookin at US Trucks only recently????? The prices are dirt cheap over there, but the problem then lies with gettin it shipped over to here!!!!!
Just as the engineers at your company wouldn’t have supported the undergrads scheme, and for the same reason that cords finds the video conference concept ridiculous (even though it already exists in the education and medical sectors among countless others atm), for the very same reason, that bein a threat to their own career!!!!!
Surely this is a gee-up. I am not the least worried about my career, I couldn’t give a tinker’s cuss. I’m not in the least bit career-focused and never have been. I nearly (but not quite, cos we haven’t actually met!) find it offensive that you would imply that I would/could be that selfish.
Now I find it necessary to explain why I think the concept is ridiculous - it is because (aside from the logisitical improbabilities of which there are so many that I don’t have time to write them all but reckon if you thought for 2 seconds you could come up with ten of them) there is no possible way, it can be better for any child’s education. Sure it might save some money, but if it could somehow be implemented, I can’t see any way it could anything but terrible outcomes.
Have you ever done any online study, Mizu? I’m doing my master’s online this year and I’m finding it extremely difficult…not the content, but figuring out what the teacher actually wants from me! Online study for adults (as in the medical sector you mention) can be very convenient but my own experience questions its effectiveness and value. I’m a learner and I need a proper teacher. Emailing and the odd phone call are no substitute for being in the teacher’s presence.
I can’t see why educating children in this fashion would be anything but detrimental. I’m not at all precious and I would be happy to be proven wrong. If someone can explain and demonstrate to me how teachers are for the most part obsolete and how kids might be better off in their learning and personal lives (cos you’re not just teaching the information in the subject, surely you understand that), I’d give it up for the better method tomorrow, and find something else to do with myself.
I find it interestin that ya wouldn’t have concern for the employment levels in your industry when it comes to technology/legislation changes?????
I know that when the carbon tax was announced to target the industry that I work in (Steel), my first concern was for my livelihood over the environment!!!!! That might be seen as selfish in some peoples eyes, but I can guarantee that I wouldn’t see those that call me selfish, give up all of their “necessities” that are made from steel so as to benefit the environment either!!!!!
I’m pretty sure that when public servants get the news that the govt is about to cut numbers, the first reaction is not “What about the public and the downgrade in the levels of service”!!!!! I might be wrong, but I am just speakin the truth, and in no way settin out to Gee ya up, or insult ya!!!!!
Like I keep sayin, I understand completely when teachers go on strike in order to keep their conditions/pay etc etc at a level that is deemed just for the time and effort that it requires to be a teacher!!!!!
And again, just like the poor sod that has to order/stock/show to the customer/help when problems that are encountered/give advice when asked etc etc, that is required from the retail industry, then I reckon they are justified in protectin that industry that they have chosen as their livelihood!!!!!
I think it is because teaching, in its proper form is truly a vocation. You do it because you love it. Sure, not everyone does and there are some bad teachers out there, but people for the most part, do it because they want to make a difference. A real and sometimes tangible difference to a human beings life and future prospects. If I found out there was a better way to be making that difference, how could I possibly begrudge it? And as I said, I can’t really see a teacher’s job becoming fully obsolete….evolve and change (as it does all the time anyway), but not disappearing.
I don’t believe in applying economic rationalism to education. It isn’t anything that you can measure or rate and you’re just selling short some kid, somewhere, as soon as you try. A lot of people complain about the ed revolution and the high cost of those buildings. Sure, it probably could have been managed a bit better, but the fact that it happened at all has made a massive difference to the lives of the teachers and students in those schools. A new library, a sports hall for kids to do PE in when there is wet-weather instead of just being shoved into a classroom to watch a movie etc etc. You can’t put any price on the value of that and I’d be happy for all my tax dollars to the end of my days to go to that kind of thing. A few dodgy builders cannot ruin the good that has been done.
Surely you can also see that workin in the snowboardin industry is also a true vocation for those that love the lifestyle as well?????
And this is why these guys fight to protect it!!!!!
That’s fair enough, I think the position is redundant when it comes to buying gear online, I think it has no place whatsoever when it comes to a 2nd hand gear buy/sell area of the forum.
Sellin second hand gear on here is similar to sellin ya car on the side of the road!!!!! The car yards soon lobby councils to get rid of the cars by puttin in landscapin and parking signs etc etc!!!!! they see it as unfair when they have to pay overheads/licenses/meet govt requirements and guidelines etc etc!!!!!
From what I can remember, and don’t quote me on this, most of the tariffs on car imports were removed, BMW and Mercedes didn’t bother changing their prices as they felt the market was happy to bear the premium. I think a lot of manufacturers continued with their existing pricing models much the same as the Germans.
Some light reading
http://news.drive.com.au/drive/motor-feature/a-quick-buck-the-high-price-of-luxury-downunder-20110415-1dgy7.htmlPretty sure that we still have tariffs, and if you purchased a car from OS, then tried to bring it into Aus you will see that not only will it be a complicated process, but will come at a lot more cost to you than the original price of the vehicle and freight!!!!!
You most likely would’ve sussed some of that stuff out while lookin at US Trucks only recently????? The prices are dirt cheap over there, but the problem then lies with gettin it shipped over to here!!!!!
Not really sure that the cars on the side of the road being banned have much to do with car dealerships at all, more likely whinging residents, council putting in signage to limit parking times so they can go and fine the crap out of it for a few weeks till ppl wake up. As far as being anything like buying snow gear second hand you’re way off the mark, I have yet to come across a snow store that deals only in used snow gear, there are literally thousands of used car yards around the country so it’s not a valid comparison. Carts are also usually the second biggest purchase people will make in their lives, finance is massive part of the industry as well, none of this is present in the snow industry and please don’t say layby is the snow industries version of finance!
It is a very long and complicated process to bring a car in, the car industry for one reason is still blessed in that dept. But the size of the item is a different animal as well and the freight costs are astronomically different. The main issue with US cars is the obvious one that they are left hand drive, conversion is painful and expensive and the car is never quite as good.
Not sure why the cars are really brought into it, retail will NEVER be given the same legislation gifts as the automotive industry. We made our cars for ourselves for quite some time and have a kinda proud history of automotive manufacture and the sentiment that goes with it as well as the long established industry to support meaning ppl are loathe to let it die. The snow industry has none of this.
Wether they deal wholly and solely in used gear or not, it is still their business!!!!! If someone stands out the front of a shop tryin to offload their second hand gear to customers that they know are in the hunt for such wares, then it is wrong!!!!!
I’ll give you an example that I faced when I owned and operated my Surf Shop!!!!!
We had since day 1 supported the local SLSC with giveaways/sponsorship/discounts etc etc, until they held the State Titles at our local beach that is!!!!!
They approached me and wanted to “sell” me the rights to sell our products down at the beach!!!!!
I refused to pay them for somethin that I felt entitled to!!!!! Not only did they end up havin a disaster of a meet, with massive seas (and I mean MASSIVE) that not only washed away all of their equipment that was setup for the event, they also had to move the event to other venues away from the towns main beach!!!!!
They also lost the support of us for the future, along with most of the other local businesses that they betrayed in a similar vein!!!!!
Sellin a car on public land that you haven’t paid a single cent for, and don’t upkeep physically nor financially for that purpose is a slap in the face for those that do!!!!!
The car yards are the drivin (Sorry about the pun) force behind the abolition of public car yards!!!!!
And wether it’s cars, snowboards, steel, cctv equipment, etc etc, it all bares the same relevance!!!!!
Surely you can also see that workin in the snowboardin industry is also a true vocation for those that love the lifestyle as well?????
And this is why these guys fight to protect it!!!!!
A job that helps support people doing what ultimately does no good for anyone other than themselves? No, I don’t see that as anywhere near as important to protect as teaching or medicine etc which is for the common good. These are true vocations and professions.
As I said before, I’m not saying the australian snowboard industry should just be left to be destroyed or that those people aren’t perfectly entitled to be fighting to protect their livelihoods. Its great they can make money and it helps them do what they love. I just don’t feel any particular moral pull to be a massive part of it myself. In fact, when I think about it, I’m just as happy to help some american dude have a job, as it seems they are in a much worse financial state than we are here! Things are going gangbusters here, in comparison to the rest of the world. Just cos he’s american doesn’t mean he doesn’t have a family to feed.
But, the reason that ultimately the two jobs do not compare is probably best answered by the following questions.
Would the world (australia in particular or the world in general) be much worse off if there were no snowboard stores or people who love snowboarding working in them? Not really.
Would it be worse off without teachers working in education? undoubtedly.
Maybe you don’t even agree with me on this - but that is the core belief behind my stance (and I wish it hadn’t taken me 10 posts to get to it!)
I don’t agree with you regarding the cars mate at all, people pay rates so they do pay upkeep for the local streets through that and many other avenues in which local govts are given public funds. The council and the public lands aqree not kept at all without public money which comes from you and me, nowhere is the link between the public and the land they pay for upkeep more obvious then in the local community so you;re argument in that respect is incorrect. The general public sell a car generally speaking at best once every couple of years, it is a generally accepted thing to do as is the way they going about doing from advertising it on thee side of the road to a sign in the wnindow and online. There is legislation in effect that limits ppl from encroaching on car dealerships in that you are only allowed to sell 6 cars in a calendar year from memory before you have to pay for a dealer licence.
What you are saying is that anywhere someone parks with a for sale sign on the car is doing the wrong thing. What you are really saying is that everyone must sell through a dealer which is rubbish. I don’t agree with your arguments, I think they are obtuse and your reaching for comparisons which really aren’t there to be made.
What it boils down to is you’re in favour of protecting retail, the big problem is that the horse has bolted, online retail and worldwide markets are here to stay and no govt will legislate that out of existence. Worldwide and freetrade agreements are constantly breaking down barriers in this regard and retail is going to have to adapt and become competitive or die. Instead of waiting for a magic bullet from the govt, retailers should be asking questions of their wholesalers and distributors to lower their buy price if they hope to make some margin. I have heard stories of retailers being unable to buy from suppliers at the same low price that ppl can buy for online from OS, it’s not the consumers fault. No one in this day and age is willing to or sometimes can even afford to pay twice as much for the same box when they are being constantly smashed from left and right with rises in the cost of living, it just won’t happen.
I have tried to outline the facts such as I see them, I understand what you’re saying but it really doesn’t matter to me or a lot of other ppl, you’re pushing the proverbial uphill and it’s a losing battle. I hope for the snow industry locally that the big players like Burton, Quik etc recognise they are killing the industry locally by continuing with the current pricing structure. Things will probably always be more expensive here due to a few factors but not in the region of twice the price, that is flat out ridiculous and insulting. It might get to the point where it will take the going out of business of half of the surviving snow stores before the industry wakes up but to my mind thats the real issue. In the meantime I’m going to continue to buy my stuff wherever I find the best value, unfortunately a lot of times it’s not locally.
Surely you can also see that workin in the snowboardin industry is also a true vocation for those that love the lifestyle as well?????
And this is why these guys fight to protect it!!!!!
A job that helps support people doing what ultimately does no good for anyone other than themselves? No, I don’t see that as anywhere near as important to protect as teaching or medicine etc which is for the common good. These are true vocations and professions.
As I said before, I’m not saying the australian snowboard industry should just be left to be destroyed or that those people aren’t perfectly entitled to be fighting to protect their livelihoods. Its great they can make money and it helps them do what they love. I just don’t feel any particular moral pull to be a massive part of it myself. In fact, when I think about it, I’m just as happy to help some american dude have a job, as it seems they are in a much worse financial state than we are here! Things are going gangbusters here, in comparison to the rest of the world. Just cos he’s american doesn’t mean he doesn’t have a family to feed.
But, the reason that ultimately the two jobs do not compare is probably best answered by the following questions.
Would the world (australia in particular or the world in general) be much worse off if there were no snowboard stores or people who love snowboarding working in them? Not really.
Would it be worse off without teachers working in education? undoubtedly.
Maybe you don’t even agree with me on this - but that is the core belief behind my stance (and I wish it hadn’t taken me 10 posts to get to it!)
The world would be for someone that loved snowboarding!!!!! Because that is their true vocation!!!!!
Did the world crumble before the advent of organized schooling????? Was society truly worse off????? I’m pretty sure that there are also people that live on this planet that have never had any form of schooling, yet live happy, healthy and productive lives!!!!! Or are they somehow worthless in the eyes of the educated????? I myself have no qualifications under our system of labels, does that make me less of a person that’s socially, morally, or adept than someone with a certificate that’s embossed with gold?????
I’m sure that the guys that work here in the industry also feel pity for some US crew that are facin hard times, but not to the extent where they would prefer to trade places?????
I don’t agree with you regarding the cars mate at all, people pay rates so they do pay upkeep for the local streets through that and many other avenues in which local govts are given public funds. The council and the public lands aqree not kept at all without public money which comes from you and me, nowhere is the link between the public and the land they pay for upkeep more obvious then in the local community so you;re argument in that respect is incorrect. The general public sell a car generally speaking at best once every couple of years, it is a generally accepted thing to do as is the way they going about doing from advertising it on thee side of the road to a sign in the wnindow and online. There is legislation in effect that limits ppl from encroaching on car dealerships in that you are only allowed to sell 6 cars in a calendar year from memory before you have to pay for a dealer licence.
What you are saying is that anywhere someone parks with a for sale sign on the car is doing the wrong thing. What you are really saying is that everyone must sell through a dealer which is rubbish. I don’t agree with your arguments, I think they are obtuse and your reaching for comparisons which really aren’t there to be made.
What it boils down to is you’re in favour of protecting retail, the big problem is that the horse has bolted, online retail and worldwide markets are here to stay and no govt will legislate that out of existence. Worldwide and freetrade agreements are constantly breaking down barriers in this regard and retail is going to have to adapt and become competitive or die. Instead of waiting for a magic bullet from the govt, retailers should be asking questions of their wholesalers and distributors to lower their buy price if they hope to make some margin. I have heard stories of retailers being unable to buy from suppliers at the same low price that ppl can buy for online from OS, it’s not the consumers fault. No one in this day and age is willing to or sometimes can even afford to pay twice as much for the same box when they are being constantly smashed from left and right with rises in the cost of living, it just won’t happen.
I have tried to outline the facts such as I see them, I understand what you’re saying but it really doesn’t matter to me or a lot of other ppl, you’re pushing the proverbial uphill and it’s a losing battle. I hope for the snow industry locally that the big players like Burton, Quik etc recognise they are killing the industry locally by continuing with the current pricing structure. Things will probably always be more expensive here due to a few factors but not in the region of twice the price, that is flat out ridiculous and insulting. It might get to the point where it will take the going out of business of half of the surviving snow stores before the industry wakes up but to my mind thats the real issue. In the meantime I’m going to continue to buy my stuff wherever I find the best value, unfortunately a lot of times it’s not locally.
You’re quite entitled to sell ya car at your own house as you are your second hand snow gear!!!!! I never once said that they must sell through a dealer!!!!! That’s your words, and feel free to quote me if I’m wrong!!!!!
The car dealers also pay their rates!!!!! And on top of that they also pay for their dealerships costs!!!!!
It is illegal to sell anythin on public property without the proper authorization, regardless of anyone’s opinions!!!!! Do you think that it’s morally ok for someone to sell their second hand snowboard out the front of a snow shop that pays rent there????? Would you be happy if someone set up shop on the footpath of your house in order to sell their gear?????
I also never said that weren’t entitled to buy your stuff wherever you see fit!!!!!
What your’re alluding to is me driving my car to the front of a car dealers and putting a for sale on it to take advantage of the car buying public who will frequent teh immediate vicinity which most people would frown upon. TO park your car in a public street with a few peices of paper advertising the fact it’s for sale and the details is a grey area most people are willing to accept and I don’t think it’s illegal per se. A car is mobile and in the course of normal use is expected to be driven and parked for periods of time. There is a difference between setting up a stall and driving a car and parking it on the side of the road with some signage in the window. So you’re saying in your opinion people should only be allowed to advertise their car online or in the paper and show it to someone only at their place of residence or they are breaking the law?
Yes car dealers pay their rates, they pay dealer licences as well which the general public are required to do if they sell more than 6 cars in a year, thats the law, dealers might not like it but its whats been decided upon.
I was making a point in relation to what people are likely to do when I stated I could buy stuff from where I see fit, not that I think you are trying to curtail peoples right to buy from whomever they see fit.
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that I like the idea of the poll!!!!!
You’ll have to make 2 separate ones though!!!!! And I’m pretty sure that people will vote truthfully as it is a secret ballot system!!!!!