OK to sell stuff here?
Sorry nthn, but the comparison is the same!!!!!
If we were to get better bang for our buck by video conferencin the worlds best teachers into our childrens classrooms, would teachers be for it or against it?????
The retail industry at the moment do not play on an even playin field, and I can wholeheartedly support their tactics in wantin a website that they give their time and money to, to give them somewhat of a return on their investment and not an overseas website, or to assist someone to sell their second hand gear for free when they are the ones that pay the bill!!!!!
If the govt suddenly decided to letter os companies tender for contracts in your industry, usin their labour force, would you or your company be supportive of the decision????? That’s what the local Surf/Skate/Snow Industry are doin!!!!! Why is that wrong in your eyes?????
And CRACKERS, I bet if ya ask the guys at The Stoke Factory their honest opinion of this, they would most likely tell ya the same!!!!!
Sorry nthn, but the comparison is the same!!!!!
If we were to get better bang for our buck by video conferencin the worlds best teachers into our childrens classrooms, would teachers be for it or against it?????
So redonkulous that I can’t even write anything. I’m out.
Mizu there is no way known to man the comparison is the same.
For what it’s worth Mizu I work for an overseas company, I have worked for overseas companies for 8.5 of the last 10 years or so but they still need local workers. No one is saying bring in overseas workers to work in retail to keep costs down so thats a moot point and that is not what is happening in the retail industry, the only industry I have heard that idea mentioned recently was in mining.
What you do find in my industry and others is companies bringing in indian and asian undergrads on work visas and paying them much less than the generally accepted salary for the sponsored time requirement at the end of which they all without fail end up working somewhere else for more money. The company that brings them in does not care, they get 4 years of endentured servitude and when it ends they get more. This all happens because apparently there is a skills shortage in this country.
I’m going to bite and go back to the snow gear online vs store comparison to education.
Education is compulsory, buying snow gear is not. Snow gear is a want and not a need like education. The ability to buy snow gear while interacting with a real life human vs the internet is superfluous in most cases, the only one where it’s not perhaps is boot fitting. At this point in time teaching is best done with a real life human in small class sizes especially in the K-6 age group IMO. Older children perhaps could get by with teleconference or maybe even holographic imaging if we get there.
If you had the choice for an education for your own children and the choice was between low cost teleconferencing or higher cost face to face teaching which option would you choose? Do you see the value in the higher cost face to face or is the trade off in quality vs cost acceptable to you and you’re comfortable with the tele conference? The choice is the same in the retail vs online debate however far too often people go into stores and don’t see the value due to bad service, bad product range or size range, unfriendly staff etc etc and wonder why they would pay a hefty premium to shop there. Hence the reason why more people everyday are choosing to go down the online path, the online world sometimes has better service with online staff chat to help you make a decision.
Education issues stem more from an inept govt that is having trouble balancing it’s books than any perceived threat to the way in which teaching is conducted in this state. I’m no expert on the subject but it would also appear it might give the principal the ability to weed out teachers who are just collecting a paycheck vs those who live and breathe education.
The retail sector is in a stage of darwinian upheaval, only the best will survive, out of the 5 or 6 snowboard stores I have been in recently there is only one where I would feel a loss if it was to go under, the others for a variety of reasons weren’t in the same ballpark in terms of staff service.
Howse this for a comparison, supporting retail stores is the same as the carbon tax, they are both more expensive and unlikely to make a difference to the end result in the long run. If you believe in climate change Australia’s contribution is infinitessimally small on a world scale so will achieve nothing. The smaller and smaller numbers of people buying from stores won’t change the end result in the long run either.
So by your response, I take it that your not a fan of the Asian Undergraduates scheme that your company allows, and that the govt have legislated in favour of?????
I don’t really care as I’m not an engineer, not sure that I agree with it but it doesn’t effect me really other then the internal cost of labour goes down allowing me in a sales role to either make better margins for the company or sell for less then competitors. Is that good for the industry, perhaps not but it’s what’s happening and you either adapt and stategise to survive or you don’t and go out of of business. It’s no different regardless of the industry, why should retail be a special case?
IMO, the lack of a For Sale forum is by far the biggest shortfall (only?) of this site.
I appreciate all the honest comments in this thread. Please feel free to keep discussing.
Just copying and pasting my reply from a previous page so our members understand my current position on this. 
But no matter what you do online shops are going to grow, so you need to look at it differently.
I agree. I think the industry is coming to terms with it. We are seeing legit stores like Board Supply Co pop up, brick and mortar stores running bigger online stores, and even brands like Quiksilver opening their own online stores.
I am all for online stores. Boardworld is even going to have an online store. However, I want to make sure we sure we support the right people. I want to support stores that are authorised retailers for all the brands they sell. I want to support brick and mortar stores that support the local industry by sponsoring riders and giving Boardworld members discounts etc.
What if someone comes on Boardworld only to sell their snowboard which they purchased from an overseas online store, only because they later found out it wasn’t the right size or whatever. I don’t want Boardworld to be responsible for supporting that process.
I completely understand where you guys are coming from and it’s a debate that will continue for years to come. I need to know that Boardworld is doing the right thing by the Australian boardsports industry. I feel we have a responsibility to the industry that has supported us since day one.
That’s my view on it anyway.
Rider I think most people are happy to abide by the rules currently in place so no dramas there however I am a member of other sites particularly car sites where there is a huge number of sponsors on board and they have massive second hand for sale sections as well with a lot of members selling second hand parts the originally bought from sponsors. One difference being car parts and tuning shops offer value add through their own IP in the tuning of cars and the software systems and hardware required to do so. Having said that many surfing websites and other snow sites do second hand sales as well with no apprent detriment to the site.
when i first came to this site i was looking to sell stuff
made rookie mistakes buying stuff that i quickly outgrew
found the rules…. happy to stick by them
happily member after
well, there’s two sides to every coin, and sometimes more, eh?
I keep my gear in good condition when possible and sell it to buy more gear. So I could argue that by selling my old stuff I can afford to keep buying new stuff (good for stores). On the other hand, people buying used stuff aren’t buying from the stores, so that’s bad.
Anyways, if you really want to sell your stuff there’s plenty of other places online where you can.
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well, there’s two sides to every coin, and sometimes more, eh?
I keep my gear in good condition when possible and sell it to buy more gear. So I could argue that by selling my old stuff I can afford to keep buying new stuff (good for stores). On the other hand, people buying used stuff aren’t buying from the stores, so that’s bad.
Anyways, if you really want to sell your stuff there’s plenty of other places online where you can.
There’s two sides of it. I buy most of my gear online for two main reasons:
1. I actually can’t find the sizes I want here.
1a. I can’t find the actual brand/model I want
2. I can’t afford the prices here.
Addressing number 2 more; If I can’t afford to buy the gear, then I have no gear to ride with, therefore more than just the shops are loosing my money. I’ll tell you what, when the boots I buy stop being sold for $500 in store here, and are closer to the $100 I paid to have them shipped from the US, then I’ll buy from the stores. I don’t care who’s fault it is that the price is that expensive - Me buying the gear will never bring that price down.
I don’t really care as I’m not an engineer, not sure that I agree with it but it doesn’t effect me really other then the internal cost of labour goes down allowing me in a sales role to either make better margins for the company or sell for less then competitors. Is that good for the industry, perhaps not but it’s what’s happening and you either adapt and stategise to survive or you don’t and go out of of business. It’s no different regardless of the industry, why should retail be a special case?
Not suggestin that retail is a special case!!!!!
Just as the engineers at your company wouldn’t have supported the undergrads scheme, and for the same reason that cords finds the video conference concept ridiculous (even though it already exists in the education and medical sectors among countless others atm), for the very same reason, that bein a threat to their own career!!!!!
And this same fear can be translated across to the industry that Jeremy and the sponsors of Boardworld operate in!!!!!
And just as teachers/engineers would take some form of action, whether that be via strike action/lobbyin govt/changin the way they operate, I can completely understand stance that they have chosen!!!!!
Mizu I think the rot has set in pandemically across the retail sector, I’m not sure any amount of grassroots movements (these sometimes trend highly for while and then the populace loses interest, think of Kony) or legislation from the govt is really going to impact on what’s happening. Any legislation that could do something about it would probably be dismissed summarily as being far too unpopular. All the political parties would consider any legislation that might help retailers tantamount to political suicide, help from that direction won’t be forthcoming.
I guess basically what I’m trying to say is that it’s a pointless exercise and I certainly am not going to pay more than I have to for some idealogical or transiently popular stance. The only way anyone would do this is if they are forced to, case in point, the carbon tax.
Tariffs on the automotive industry kept the Aussie car manufacturers from bein wiped out from Japanese imports!!!!!
Probably the only reason that allowed ya to drive Holdens to this day!!!!! You payed these!!!!!
But that’s not my point anyway!!!!!
My argument is that I can see why Boardworld has taken the position that it has!!!!!
I would like to be able to buy a cheap car, but I can bet that what’s left of the Holden and Ford plants in OZ won’t want me to?????
if you can buy a better product for less, why would you buy ford/holden?
patriotism? im all for being patriotic but no chance in hell im going to buy an inferior product just to simply say “yeh i support aussie car makers”