New GoPro Hero 2
I also think that you, spaz, are somewhat influenced by an underlying hate towards GoPro!
What spaz!? he loves the gopro 
It sort of reminds me of people who hate Burton because of the brands popularity. They would come up with lots of strong reasons for disliking Burton, which they think are reasonable lol. But it’s the overwhelming popularity of a brand/company that brings out the passionate hatred in some people. Same goes for teams like Man United etc etc. BTW not necessarily saying this about you spaz
I also think that you, spaz, are somewhat influenced by an underlying hate towards GoPro!
What spaz!? he loves the gopro
It sort of reminds me of people who hate Burton because of the brands popularity. They would come up with lots of strong reasons for disliking Burton, which they think are reasonable lol. But it’s the overwhelming popularity of a brand/company that brings out the passionate hatred in some people. Same goes for teams like Man United etc etc. BTW not necessarily saying this about you spaz
I must admit that I tend to steer away from Burton gear, but havin said that I have owned it and used it without drama, and the last thing I would do is put shit on Burton gear just cause I’m no longer a fan!!!!!
The opinion that I hate GoPro is untrue.
It’s that I’ve have tried on 5 occasions over 3.5 years to become a dealer of the product and “GoPro international” have encouraged the Australian distributor to have me as one, yet they still give me the runaround (because I have no permanent shop front and my online business does not focus a greater percentage to sales to HeaCams)
I often encouraged sales of GoPro and in PM’s and emails requesting my advice and I point out the positives GoPro have. Publicly I advise that other cameras (that I supply) - Contour, Drift, VIO have merits that GoPro do not - I do not shit on the product, I supply fact. And I supply the camera’s to compete with GoPro.
Read my posts - The GOPro camera is NOT WATERPROOF, it is supplied with a watertight housing. <This is fact.
(You can put anything in a pelican case and leave it at sea for months without damage) Similar watertight housings can be bought from Jaycar for $15 they are the type of case pro photographers have been modifying for decades.
I have gone out of my way to point out the negatives that GoPro have and excluded much of the positive to send a clear message to the distributor that it would be favourable to have a professional videographer and the fist person in the SoHe who hired HeadCams (the first member of a worldwide headcam test network that now includes 50 countries), who also has exposure to half a million visitors to NSW snow fields - selling their product.
Someone who is cleaver with wording, and knows what they are talking/writing about - a professional not a consumer.
Anyone who has spoken to me privately knows that I think GoPro are a decent POV Cam and that I would probably use one as a means to encourage sales as I have not just the skills but also the equipment to use GoPro at it’s full potential.
Many folk try to oppose what I have written without properly reading. I have simply tried to supply fact over consumer opinion.
When a person who has only ever used one type of Headcam claims that it is the best - I will refute their claim and try to do it a way that wont offend. By pointing out they are giving moronic advice is no way to forward discussion but a good way to lose friends (something I’m not wanting to do because the written word fails at providing my full intent or emotional state)
Dan, Mizu, Warren etc… are all people I like and enjoy the company of, riding with and conversing and I do not want them put offside (I’m not suggesting any of your posts a moronic BTW) just that my opinion here deserve more respect.
There is a reason I’m the only moderator in the Photo & Video section of BW (the was 2 of us, RIP Brad) - It’s because I have the experience to know what I’m on about and have the good judgment to moderate.
This thread has been a difficult one to watch over and I’ve considered locking it down a few times, I’m probably more at fault than anyone for leading it off track.
I have been honest in my opinion, comments and wording toward GoPro, even to the extent of admitting a bias against them. But I have not shat on it or made false claims.
I do not “hate” the product - I do hate that it is not a headcam, that it’s competing in the headcam market and that I cannot offer BWM the opportunity to buy it through me.
The only time I’ve seen a vio damaged by water is when the owner overtightened then screws on the housing causing the seal to fail - I repaired that camera and it has continued to work fine.
To be honest spaz if this is my VIO you are talking about, the screws were not over tightened, I never touched the screws until AFTER the VIO failed, it was at that point I discovered the screws were UNDERTIGHTENED causing the seal to not… Well seal, resulting in water getting into the unit.
I’d still like it back a some point also. We gotta get that sorted ASAP! Until then I will continue to use my GP and will have to look into the GP2… My interest has been sparked!
Think im gunna heat up some pop corn and sit back 
GoProo is an over-marketed Point&Shoot; camera that’s build quality is so bad it has to be put in a plastic box for protection. It’s a cheap chinese knock off!
For the money spent you are better off buying an Olympus or Sony or Panasonic or Sharp or ....... any shock proof/waterproof P&S.
But people are sheep (sheeple) and GoPoo will continue to sell their camera’s to the fools that buy them. It’s the only reason I’m going to stock them, until now I stood my ground and only stocked what I considered quality but there is money to made from sheeple.
Respect only comes when respect is given!!!!!
The only time I’ve seen a vio damaged by water is when the owner overtightened then screws on the housing causing the seal to fail - I repaired that camera and it has continued to work fine.
To be honest spaz if this is my VIO you are talking about, the screws were not over tightened, I never touched the screws until AFTER the VIO failed, it was at that point I discovered the screws were UNDERTIGHTENED causing the seal to not… Well seal, resulting in water getting into the unit.
I’d still like it back a some point also. We gotta get that sorted ASAP! Until then I will continue to use my GP and will have to look into the GP2… My interest has been sparked!
Banger, is there a problem with the VIO I gave you as a replacement?
Absolutely the screws did become loose of their own accord - which intern allowed fresh water to enter the unit (which is covered under warranty). But they were tightened and since the camera continued to work it was taken into the surf at the beach (against the manufactures advice and voided the warranty before consulting myself in regard to the loose screw issue) and caused it to have issues - salt water does that to electrical devices.
What did I do….. Ah yes, I replaced your unit, by driving from one side of Sydney to the other on Christmas Eve (5hrs) to pick up yours and give you a unit that had no issue during the 6 months I had used it (the same one Warren Chapstick couldn’t operate) so you had a camera to take to Japan. How much did I charge you for this service, that wasn’t covered under warranty… zilch, zero, nada, nothing.
Did I do something inappropriate, unprofessional? Since your unit was repaired I have again gone out of my way in attempts to meet you in Jindy and offered to drive to your home at 5am to exchange them before you started work or meet you as you passed my place on the way to the snow.
Please don’t suggest that I have been avoiding getting your working VIO back to you.
I’ve had enough of this “lets bash spaz affair because he called us sheeple and doesn’t like GoPro”. Boo hoo, waa waa
Like Mizu posted “respect is earned to be given” ... well it should be, but in the real world people don’t respect the efforts and lengths someone might go to in an attempt to do the right thing, offer advice, find the cheapest option or be honourable despite what they personally give up to do so. I guess that’s just the way thing are, sheeple live with wool pulled over their eyes.
The only time I’ve seen a vio damaged by water is when the owner overtightened then screws on the housing causing the seal to fail - I repaired that camera and it has continued to work fine.
To be honest spaz if this is my VIO you are talking about, the screws were not over tightened, I never touched the screws until AFTER the VIO failed, it was at that point I discovered the screws were UNDERTIGHTENED causing the seal to not… Well seal, resulting in water getting into the unit.
I’d still like it back a some point also. We gotta get that sorted ASAP! Until then I will continue to use my GP and will have to look into the GP2… My interest has been sparked!
Banger, is there a problem with the VIO I gave you as a replacement?
Absolutely the screws did become loose of their own accord - which intern allowed fresh water to enter the unit (which is covered under warranty). But they were tightened and since the camera continued to work it was taken into the surf at the beach (against the manufactures advice and voided the warranty before consulting myself in regard to the loose screw issue) and caused it to have issues - salt water does that to electrical devices.
What did I do….. Ah yes, I replaced your unit, by driving from one side of Sydney to the other on Christmas Eve (5hrs) to pick up yours and give you a unit that had no issue during the 6 months I had used it (the same one Warren Chapstick couldn’t operate) so you had a camera to take to Japan. How much did I charge you for this service, that wasn’t covered under warranty… zilch, zero, nada, nothing.
Did I do something inappropriate, unprofessional? Since your unit was repaired I have again gone out of my way in attempts to meet you in Jindy and offered to drive to your home at 5am to exchange them before you started work or meet you as you passed my place on the way to the snow.
Please don’t suggest that I have been avoiding getting your working VIO back to you.
I’ve had enough of this “lets bash spaz affair because he called us sheeple and doesn’t like GoPro”. Boo hoo, waa waa
Like Mizu posted “respect is earned to be given” ... well it should be, but in the real world people don’t respect the efforts and lengths someone might go to in an attempt to do the right thing, offer advice, find the cheapest option or be honourable despite what they personally give up to do so. I guess that’s just the way thing are, sheeple live with wool pulled over their eyes.
spaz…. seriously mate i’m not making any suggestions you were not helpful in what you did for me or that you didnt go out of your way to get us a replacement before we left for japan on x-mas day as we had bought the unit for our trip to japan.
the unit you swapped with me worked fine for most of our trip but then it did develop problems with the cable linking the tethered head to the recorder unit (as you pointed out would probably happen as the unit you gave me was your main goto unit you personally use and already had that issue if you remember how it was taped up)
after it stopped working in japan i contacted you and you said we could swap back when i got home and sort it, that was while we were in japan in early 2010 and it has not been used since. I as soon as i got back home i contacted you again to get it back to you and you told me to wait until that season and we would meet up. i knew you had a lot going on with PP at that time so was not to worried about swapping, we missed each other that season as luck or unluck would have it. since then I have Pm’d you about it, texted etc…. i’m not saying your avoiding getting a working VIO back to me and get your’s back, but that it’s just that it’s been a very long time now and i still want to do it.
I am not having a go at you either about the VIO vs GP… i have used both with great results but have only had issues with the VIO. some may see it is user error but i feel that is not the case.
To set the record straight.
I used the VIO for a day at the snow in 2009 - worked great, didn’t touch the screws
i used the VIO for some mtb riding around my street and in the bush - awesome angles, didn’t touch the screws
I used the VIO in freshwater… only to stick the head under, didn’t touch the screws.
I used the VIO in saltwater with the recorder in a housing (marine bag from camera shop) the vio was used while playing around in less than 1 metre deep of saltwater filming my then 2 year old niece wading/playing. the bag went under, water got into the bag. water then entered the recorder through the soft buttons on the front as the torque screws that hold seal on the buttons had worked loose. i discovered they were loose when under spaz’s recommendation i opened the unit to dry it out. some were so loose it took only my fingernails to turn them. it’s just a sore spot with me on the vio, because if the manufacturer recommended to tighten these periodically my issue would never have happened. same issue with the remote… screws fell out snow/water got in. the remote however came good after drying out.
I was simply just trying to give the story as it happened albeit not very detailed for which i apologize. i have not been around much and if it came off as a dig i truly am sorry.
Can you stop referring to us (gopro users) as sheep? I find that offensive and unnecessary spaz.
I think this thread has gotten wayyyy off topic.
Maybe you guys should sort your business out via PM’s, and leave this thread to talk about the GP2. 
I think this thread has gotten wayyyy off topic.
Maybe you guys should sort your business out via PM’s, and leave this thread to talk about the GP2.
hells no, im enjoying this. 
I think this thread has gotten wayyyy off topic.
Maybe you guys should sort your business out via PM’s, and leave this thread to talk about the GP2.
Agreed. 
haven’t seen this before, but if ya takin the GoPro in the surf/rapids etc it might be a great investment!!!!!
thats a sensible accessory! good for kayakers or surfers… maybe even powder hounds;)
Yeah, actually for visibility in the white stuff it could be well worth it????? 