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Global Warming and Snow Cover in Australia

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^ Yet the sad reality remains that the Labor/Green alliance’s carbon tax will do absolutely NOTHING to alter the situation.

 
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Time for a youngin’ to join the conversation.

I’m 16, so I don’t claim to be wise, smart, or know a lot. Because the fact is, I don’t know anything (that is, about the carbon tax, statistics, how stuff actually works in real life).

I haven’t had enough time to work out my opinion on the climate change topic. I don’t know whether to believe that global warming is happening, and humans are playing a huge role in this, or to believe that it’s just part of the earth’s natural system, and we should just keep on living (and burning, mining, you name it) . But I have had enough time to decide that regardless of both of these beliefs, something should be done.

As a sort of safe guard. We should all strive to make our day to day living as ‘green’ as anyone can be bothered. Some effort has to be put into it. The government, and not only here in Australia but other countries too, should enforce something, find something, do something. And what if it was us that contributed a lot? We would be on our way, not necessarily to fixing it, but to at least helping it.

And what if it wasn’t us? What if it was all just the natural system, and our burning and mining didn’t do a thing to the environment? Surely there isn’t much harm in being ‘greener’ than what we are now?

 
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xx.yoshi - 13 October 2011 01:24 AM

. . . regardless of both of these beliefs, something should be done.

Sure, but what should that “something” be? Populist, knee-jerk reactions are used by those who simply want to appear to the ignorant masses to be taking viable action, not by those who are genuinely finding solutions.

xx.yoshi - 13 October 2011 01:24 AM

Surely there isn’t much harm in being ‘greener’ than what we are now?

But at what cost? There’s often a massive amount of harm in squandering billions of dollars on futile gestures. Besides the obvious fact that the money would be better spent elsewhere (health and education perhaps?), what happens when someone actually comes up with a genuinely viable soution, and there’s no money left to fund it???

From a personal standpoint, would you be happy to donate your brand new snowboard to ‘the cause’? That’s effectively what others who don’t agree with this action are being forced to do!!!

 
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I just want to remind everybody that this thread is meant to be about snow cover in Australia not “the politics behind a tax” or “who/what caused global warming”

Mudhoney - 11 October 2011 06:03 AM

I don’t mean to be the gloom-bringer, but did anyone see this report just released by the Aus Government Dept of Climate Change?

They are predicting some scary stuff for us snow-lovers.  By 2050 they’re predicting for the alps:
* warmer by 0.9 to 2.6 degrees
* 24% less precipitation
* more droughts
* snow cover declining by 15 “metre days” (days at 1m+) per decade
* more rain less snow
* areas sustaining snow for more than 60 days shrinking by 96%

There was an article in The Australian newspaper on the weekend about it, and a lot people posted comments online claiming this climate science stuff was all nonsense.  What do you guys reckon?

I have been considering buying a share in a lodge at Hotham, but this stuff makes me wonder if that’s such a great idea.

Mud

 
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Waste of resources is my bug bear - which kinda ties into pollution

you have to look at our “capitalist” or greed style of living

the waste of producing goods just so companies can sell you something new and improved
we are programmed by advertising to want things and companies need us to keep buying so they can keep profits increasing

to start somewhere we will would have to completely change our life styles, that is something you can do yourself (by limiting your purchases) & companies could too by making products that don’t have inbuilt redundancy or that are a built to last longer

 
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spaz - 13 October 2011 02:05 AM

I just want to remind everybody that this thread is meant to be about snow cover in Australia not “the politics behind a tax” or “who/what caused global warming”

well said, sir.

 
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Mudhoney - 13 October 2011 02:35 AM
spaz - 13 October 2011 02:05 AM

I just want to remind everybody that this thread is meant to be about snow cover in Australia not “the politics behind a tax” or “who/what caused global warming”

well said, sir.

The thread OP was something like “I read/heard/saw a report stating that there would be little to no snow cover in 2050, what do you think?”

The organic evolution of the conversation was bound to go to what is supposed cause this, what is being done about it and will that work.

The general consensus wrong or right is that its caused by global warming, the government has decided that a carbon dioxide tax will fix the problem, no one has any idea of if it will work or not.  Personally I dont think it’s really that off topic, of course it could have gone a different way to working out how we could use the lift infrastructure if there was no snow by mountain biking, grass skating etc but the hot topic right now is the tax!

 
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nthnbeachesguy - 13 October 2011 03:11 AM
Mudhoney - 13 October 2011 02:35 AM
spaz - 13 October 2011 02:05 AM

I just want to remind everybody that this thread is meant to be about snow cover in Australia not “the politics behind a tax” or “who/what caused global warming”

well said, sir.

The thread OP was something like “I read/heard/saw a report stating that there would be little to no snow cover in 2050, what do you think?”

The organic evolution of the conversation was bound to go to what is supposed cause this, what is being done about it and will that work.

The general consensus wrong or right is that its caused by global warming, the government has decided that a carbon dioxide tax will fix the problem, no one has any idea of if it will work or not.  Personally I dont think it’s really that off topic, of course it could have gone a different way to working out how we could use the lift infrastructure if there was no snow by mountain biking, grass skating etc but the hot topic right now is the tax!

I suppose I did leave it a bit open, but to clarify, I couldn’t give a toss about the politics, I just want to know if there’s going to continue to be snow in Australia.

 
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I’ll put ya mind at rest, Mud!!!!!!

There WILL be snow in the Aussie Alps for as long as we’re around!!!!!!  shaka

 
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Mizu Kuma - 13 October 2011 03:43 AM

I’ll put ya mind at rest, Mud!!!!!!

There WILL be snow in the Aussie Alps for as long as we’re around!!!!!!  shaka

What about the kids!?!?!?!?  <—Mizu grammar virus is spreading

 
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Mudhoney - 13 October 2011 03:21 AM

I suppose I did leave it a bit open, but to clarify, I couldn’t give a toss about the politics, I just want to know if there’s going to continue to be snow in Australia.

i will put it down in the same section as finding a cure for Cancer

i certainly hope so but there is nothing guaranteed

 
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Mudhoney - 13 October 2011 03:50 AM
Mizu Kuma - 13 October 2011 03:43 AM

I’ll put ya mind at rest, Mud!!!!!!

There WILL be snow in the Aussie Alps for as long as we’re around!!!!!!  shaka

What about the kids!?!?!?!?  <—Mizu grammar virus is spreading

They’ll have hover boards by then!!!!!!

 
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Mudhoney - 13 October 2011 02:35 AM
spaz - 13 October 2011 02:05 AM

I just want to remind everybody that this thread is meant to be about snow cover in Australia not “the politics behind a tax” or “who/what caused global warming”

well said, sir.

hmmm

but what came first the chicken or the egg??

 
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humdingaling - 13 October 2011 03:50 AM

i will put it down in the same section as finding a cure for Cancer

i certainly hope so but there is nothing guaranteed

A very good point.

However, the billions we’ll be squandering would be MUCH better placed paying for cancer research.

 
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Caboose - 13 October 2011 04:13 AM
Mudhoney - 13 October 2011 02:35 AM
spaz - 13 October 2011 02:05 AM

I just want to remind everybody that this thread is meant to be about snow cover in Australia not “the politics behind a tax” or “who/what caused global warming”

well said, sir.

hmmm

but what came first the chicken or the egg??

are you saying you can’t have climate change without politics?  I guess there is a lot of hot air being generated in Parliament House..