Burton Custom X/Mission EST Binding Setup
If if is a Twin, why do they call it Directional?????
Because that have a suggested position written on the top sheet?????
It has to be more than that!!!!!
It isn’t a twin. The nose is longer than the tail and the sidecut is set back. That makes it a directional board.
It has a twin flex Mizu but directional shape (we’re talking about the Custom X right?)
It isn’t a twin. The nose is longer than the tail and the sidecut is set back. That makes it a directional board.
Yes, that’s right!!!!!
So when the bindings are on at the Reference Point, the board will ride Switch at its best!!!!!
That’s my understanding!!!!!
And therefor why I would use the reference point as a “center” rather than just a measurement?????
So when the bindings are on at the Reference Point, the board will ride Switch at its best!!!!!
Not necessarily. It depends on your purpose.
Are you just learning to ride switch and you’re finding it difficult to initiate the turn? If so, I would argue that it’s easier to initiate a turn with a longer nose, regardless of changing the reference setback. Centring the stance might give the rider a valuable opportunity to get the feel of initiating a switch turn, thus giving him confidence to ride switch..
Maybe you are now comfortable riding switch and you want to start riding more aggressively, i.e. putting the board on edge and carving. Then yes, you will probably get more performance out of riding the reference setback.
All I’m suggesting is that it’s another setting to play around with. Depending on your level of riding, it could make things easier.
And therefor why I would use the reference point as a “center” rather than just a measurement?????
I’m not sure what you mean here.
Feel free to start another thread if you want to keep discussing this. I just don’t want to confuse calitrees818 with too much information. 
Nah, it’s all good!!!!!
My reasoning to why the Referance should be used is that the Manufacturer has placed it there for a reason, and a board like the Custom X is meant to be ridden Switch!!!!! And still usin that Reference Point!!!!!
But I agree, each to their own, as there’s no set rules in anythin we do!!!!!
Hey guys, thanks for all the valuable information, i actually understood all of it!
Hey Rider26, so here is my dilemma I’m dealing with and can’t truly understand what to do with it.
I am pretty good at riding with my left leg behind (even though i use my right leg to be behind me when i get off the lift lol). I think i can ride switch pretty good with my older board (the Lamar one i was talking about that’s symmetrical on both sides). I really enjoy carving and free riding, but i wanted to try to ridge switch with my new Burton board, even though i really haven’t ridden it this season.
So my question is, should I use the reference points and try riding switch with that stance positioning I have set up right now? My stance is on the reference points on the board and it has a 9 degree in the back and -15 degree in the front. Will i notice a big difference in riding switch if i use this setting? And is carving going to be easier, different or same?
Also, if i move both bindings towards the tip of the nose, what differences am i going to see in my riding? Besides the fact that it will be easier to ride switch. I just want to get as much information as possible so when I go on the mountain and have to adjust my board it doesn’t take my hours to figure out what i am doing.
Have you read this thread? https://www.boardworld.com.au/forums/viewthread/2597/
I wouldn’t worry too much about getting your stance “perfect” right from the start. The truth is, until you ride your board and try a few different settings, you won’t know.
I assume you mean your front binding is 15 degrees and your back binding is -9 degrees? If the binding (toes) is pointed towards the nose, then it has a positive angle. If the binding (toes) is pointed towards the tail, then it has a negative angle. So your board would be set up exactly as in this picture, correct?
My suggestion is this:
Go for a ride with the reference stance. The angles of 15, -9 are absolutely fine.
If your stance feels narrow, slowly and gradually increase your stance width by moving the bindings out at equal distance, i.e., front binding towards the nose a quarter of an inch, and the back binding towards the tail a quarter of an inch. This will keep the same reference setback, but give you a slightly wider stance. Do this until it feels comfortable.
If you can ride switch OK and you want to do it more / make it easier, try turning the back binding out more, maybe to -12 or -15 degrees.
Other than that, you’re going to be fine. You said you can ride switch OK, so you can ignore what we were talking about in regards to centring your stance. You might as well keep it set up with the reference setback. One advantage of the Burton channel board is you can keep the reference setback with ANY stance width.
Let us know how you go.
@rider26: Jeremy, if you center it wouldn’t that mess with the side cut more? I know with a directional board when you ride it switch depending on the sidecut sometimes they either hook up faster or slower (if the use a progressive sidecut I guess) compared to regular stance.
Not necessarily. It depends on your purpose.
Are you just learning to ride switch and you’re finding it difficult to initiate the turn? If so, I would argue that it’s easier to initiate a turn with a longer nose, regardless of changing the reference setback. Centring the stance might give the rider a valuable opportunity to get the feel of initiating a switch turn, thus giving him confidence to ride switch..
Maybe you are now comfortable riding switch and you want to start riding more aggressively, i.e. putting the board on edge and carving. Then yes, you will probably get more performance out of riding the reference setback.
At least in my opinion anyway.
2. Centring your stance. Even if a board’s reference stance is set back, you can still centre your stance if you wish. For example, the Custom X has a reference stance of 25mm setback. If you slide both bindings towards the nose by 25mm, you now have a centred stance. Basically, a centred stance makes it easier to ride switch. It’s just another option you can play around with.
Why you say this then?????
It does make it “easier” when you are learning. When you are learning, you aren’t carving, you are sliding/skidding your turns.
But someone who can ride switch at high performance isn’t looking for easier.
So really this only applies to someone learning to ride switch. Even then, you only need to if you’re having serious difficulties initiating the turns. It’s just another option that should be understood and considered in certain circumstances.
And just to clarify, when I said this:
I would argue that it’s easier to initiate a turn with a longer nose, regardless of changing the reference setback.
I am referring to the fact that when you centre a board that usually has a setback, you are making the tail (so your nose when you are riding switch) longer. Having the longer nose and consequently shorter tail, will make initiating the turns easier.
Honestly @Rider26, i learned a lot more from this forum than from Val Surf. Really appreciate the information from all of you. Ill post some pics when I go to Mammoth. Gonna be there for a week!
Lookin forward to the pics, and how the new setup goes, calitrees!!!!! 
No worries, calitrees818. Enjoy your time at Mammoth and let us know how you go! 