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I’m wondering why you would find TBT more useful on ice? Technically, the sidecut is no different from any other board. TBT only refers to the base profiling.
Haha yeah!!! @skip11 asked me the same Q. On ice you get alot of slippage, and while magna-traction helps in getting grip, you still have to work on not overbalancing as if it doesn’t grip you slip.
I think due to the base profiling, you get more base on the ice whichever angle, and helps reduce chances of slippage.
More so if you’re not flatbasing down the ice.
Hope this helps.
Haha Andy, I kept thinking about what you said. No matter how I see it, lifted edges = less base to work it than flat base haha. I guess you have to show me in person lol.
^ this might help:
Yeah, I watched/read that before.
I’m not sure I get it either, but hey, if it works for you… more power to you. I kinda get what you’re saying, I just don’t see how it would change anything significant. That said, I haven’t tried TBT so I’m just theorising.
Thanks for explaining, Andy.
Moved this thread to Equipment and Products.
I replied to your PM, Alysha. I think I wrote a small novel haha.
Guys, please remember that Alysha is looking for advice for her first snowboard. I love all the tech talk but please try to keep it on topic (after I ask Grunge one question haha) so we don’t make this thread too confusing for her. All good, I just don’t want it going to far off topic. Thanks.
* Please feel free to start a snowboard tech thread. I love talking about this stuff.
Fair enough.
But I actually think Alysha will benefit from seeing the explanation of why rather than just recommendations.
For example it is important to her to not be needing to wax the thing every few days - why was that board thirsty and what should she be looking for if she wants a less thirsty board is good solid info. At least now if she walks into a store and has a choice between an extruded base board and a sintered base board with everything else being constant she can say - hmmm…well the sintered one won’t be so thirsty. Or if the extruded one is a few hundred cheaper she can say….‘well, I know it’ll need waxing more often, but it’s a really good saving, so I’ll suck that up.’
Knowledge is a good thing.
It’s just gotta be relevant.
Moved this thread to Equipment and Products.
I replied to your PM, Alysha. I think I wrote a small novel haha.
Guys, please remember that Alysha is looking for advice for her first snowboard. I love all the tech talk but please try to keep it on topic (after I ask Grunge one question haha) so we don’t make this thread too confusing for her. All good, I just don’t want it going to far off topic. Thanks.
* Please feel free to start a snowboard tech thread. I love talking about this stuff.
Fair enough.
But I actually think Alysha will benefit from seeing the explanation of why rather than just recommendations.For example it is important to her to not be needing to wax the thing every few days - why was that board thirsty and what should she be looking for if she wants a less thirsty board is good solid info. At least now if she walks into a store and has a choice between an extruded base board and a sintered base board with everything else being constant she can say - hmmm…well the sintered one won’t be so thirsty. Or if the extruded one is a few hundred cheaper she can say….‘well, I know it’ll need waxing more often, but it’s a really good saving, so I’ll suck that up.’
Knowledge is a good thing.
It’s just gotta be relevant.
You are right, all this tec talk gives me something to research before the season and to get to know my board better. Thanks everyone so much for your help. Never short of answers on this forum it’s amazing!
Haha Andy, I kept thinking about what you said. No matter how I see it, lifted edges = less base to work it than flat base haha. I guess you have to show me in person lol.
I’m not sure I get it either, but hey, if it works for you… more power to you. I kinda get what you’re saying, I just don’t see how it would change anything significant. That said, I haven’t tried TBT so I’m just theorising.
Thanks for explaining, Andy.
It’s cool folks. It doesn’t change anything significant in terms of board control via edges, but the TBT puts more base on the ice even when attempting put an edge in.
Simply put, there’s more of the board on the ice and less of it to slip with, which is why people say that it is really good for jibbing, and give that “locked in” feeling on boxes.
@skip11, when you’re lifting edges you’re still thinking of the board as a flat piece, edge goes up and down (along with the base.)
It’s not like that with TBT, which is why most ppl have to exaggerate the carving deg to get the edges in and the side base off.
Ahh ok ok I see what you mean now
Fair enough.
But I actually think Alysha will benefit from seeing the explanation of why rather than just recommendations.
I agree. Explanations are super important. I just didn’t want it moving too far away from discussing boards for Alysha, which it didn’t really… so my bad. All good here.
For example it is important to her to not be needing to wax the thing every few days - why was that board thirsty and what should she be looking for if she wants a less thirsty board is good solid info. At least now if she walks into a store and has a choice between an extruded base board and a sintered base board with everything else being constant she can say - hmmm…well the sintered one won’t be so thirsty. Or if the extruded one is a few hundred cheaper she can say….‘well, I know it’ll need waxing more often, but it’s a really good saving, so I’ll suck that up.’
More on this to clarify a few points:
Sintered bases will actually be “thirstier” and need more regular maintenance. Sintered bases are porous, which is how they absorb wax. When you iron the wax on, the pores open up from the heat, and absorb the wax. Then we scrape off the excess.
Extruded bases, however, aren’t nearly as porous as sintered bases, thus don’t absorb wax well at all really. Extruded bases don’t really need to be hot waxed. They are more “maintenance free” and I honestly wouldn’t bother hot waxing them. You’re better off using a rub-on wax or similar if you are requiring more speed. The whole process of hot waxing is to get wax to absorb into the actual base (not on it), rendering this process somewhat redundant for extruded bases.
In general terms,
Sintered bases:
Pros: faster, more durable
Cons: requires more maintenance (regular waxing), harder to repair, more expensive
Extruded bases:
Pros: requires less maintenance, easier to fix, cheaper
Cons: not as fast, less durable
Well thanks to Jeez it looks like i’ll have myself an awesome board!
Well thanks to Jeez it looks like i’ll have myself an awesome board!
Gotta love that boy!
He got me on my latest love
Good news!
Well thanks to Jeez it looks like i’ll have myself an awesome board!
Gotta love that boy!
He got me on my latest love
Good news!
Haha yeah now just have to wait for the season to hurry up so I can get on it
^ Leesha what did you end up getting? =)
BTW, thanx Jez for the explanation, I was a little like.. “wait… sintered was more expensive for me (Jones Aviator) and I needed to pretty much wax it after 1 day. LOL
Anyways, you’ll find most snowboards except high end using extruded, but you’ll find that sintered bases are coming into “lower end” boards. (eg, Capita’s Jess Kimura model now has a sintered base. )