Come in Nikon users (and maybe Tambazz)
so change it right now!
Yes mum!!!
so did you? 
Prior to digital photography people actually knew what they were doing, knew how much light was on their subject and what setting to have their camera on before opening the shutter.
THAT’S WHAT A PHOTOGRAPHER IS.
And you only had between 12 and 36 photos per roll. Todays photographer would get one good photo in every 2 rolls.
Pre digital you were expected to get 1 in 5 photos good.Most have no idea what photography is. If a person wants to learn photography they should shoot analog and learn the art of what makes a good photo.
ITS ALL ABOUT HOW MANY LIGHT WAVES YOU LET IN.
I have a mate whose a very successful photographer, he has made a good living from it for the last 15 years, won awards and all that kind of thing. It burns him hard that film is no more and unfortunately for him technology being what it is today the gap between professional and amateur results is a lot smaller than what it was.
As a result he finds himself getting undercut for work by some kid with a camera who only took up shooting surf photography because they realised they couldn’t make it as a surfer and their parents are loaded enough to kit them out with a top flight camera and lenses. With that introduction to the industry and the “cool” factor they will take jobs for nuthin and then produce results that are 80-90% of what an actual pro could do.
The problem is twofold, you have the kid whose got the safety net of rich parents devaluing the work taking it on cut price for the cool factor and then there’s the surf companies who no longer place value in getting the best result they can or having to pay enough to enable top guys to make a living from it. My mate now makes more money shooting some two bit celeb pap shots than he ever did in surf photography. The advent of the digital age and mass production of cameras that enable even halfwits to obtain acceptable results has devalued the profession enormously.
With that said for the vast majority of the population couldn’t give a stuff about how cameras actually work and are totally happy with the pictures they take on the auto function. No one can go learn on film anymore, as I understand it they have stopped making it.
or, my “fav”, have the subject dead centre (or once) but every frame?????
Here’s a question. So you’re a photographer…. when you are out partying, do you leave the camera at home, and take no shots cos you can’t be bothered thinking everything through, and the whole ‘if anyone sees these, and they aren’t perfect, what will they think” thing,’‘or are you happy to be “happy snappy” and enjoy the mood/vibe and have that be the memory?
I guess I’m asking when you put on the photography “hat”
If i do shoot a party i always try to make the photos better than just a happy snap kind of thing, but i wouldnt put as much effort as into shooting like a landscape or shooting something else.
Tambo interesting question!!!
I was once taught two very important tips by a photographer when I was a teen that have stayed with me today!
One - hold your breathe for 3 seconds every time you hit the shutter button the difference is amazing (pretty much only relevant when not using a flash)
Two - throw out a photo if it is not perfect. This was in the film age and so when I would i would get a pack of photo back from the printer I would go through them and throw out the duds. The first couple of times were hard - not sure why i was keeping them cause no one ever saw them… but over time it got easier.
Now in the digital age I upload my photos to adobe bridge and then use the slideshow viewer and arrow down on the ones I don’t want (and nowadays I am quite brutal) and then create a new collection and edit from that.
I agree with poonwah I try and make an effort but not a HUGE effort, i mean even at Chill Hill on the weekend - intoxicated as I was I still was turning off the flash and trying to be creative with the lights etc. But yes because of the digital age I trend to be more snap happy than I used to be cause you can afford to. You can fix most photos later (if you can be bothered!) but you are right. Sometimes none perfect photos suit the mood/vibe!
Again the amount of people who have a DSLR and don’t understand about light metering and that even though it is almost pitch black you don’t need a flash.
Or then the other way - brilliant sunshine but don’t use a flash as a filler!!!
NBG I get what you’re saying and it sucks that the industry is going that way… but at the same time, it’s cheaper for the consumer and you don’t NEED to have a professional. You can also get backup (amateur photographers) for important events in the off chance there is an issue with your professional.
Things like weddings, you still get a pro. But then you have the family taking snaps as well so you get different views of everything.
I’m definitely not great but try to use settings other than Auto when I can (but will change it back when giving it to other people)...
I like to compare it to salesmen. There will always be room for the BEST photographers / salesmen but with the ease of getting good photos / buying online the ones that don’t strive themselves to be the best end up going by the wayside and lets face it they probably deserve to be there. Your mate has changed his role into something different to stay in the industry and look at him, he is doing well.
I’m definitely not great but try to use settings other than Auto when I can (but will change it back when giving it to other people)...
TJ if you are going to own a DSLR can I ask that you at least invest in this book (or you can borrow mine!)
http://www.amazon.com/Digital-Photography-Book-Scott-Kelby/dp/032147404X
he also has a great range of Photoshop books too
Passionate photog always have a SLR close by. Some situations can’t be captured on anything but one.
Eg: Tue night a table I was waiting on asked me to take a photo with their phones, no matter how I took it it wouldn’t come up good so I ran out to the car, grabbed the DSLR and got the shot (and the patrons thought I was kidding when I told them I’m pro).
P&S (to me) are like POV video - I don’t even line up the shot.
Lets do away with a camera with any settings. People should go and learn how to build a pin-hole camera. And how photos are processed.
Film is still being made - Kodak stopped recently.
Prior to digital photography people actually knew what they were doing, knew how much light was on their subject and what setting to have their camera on before opening the shutter.
THAT’S WHAT A PHOTOGRAPHER IS.
And you only had between 12 and 36 photos per roll. Todays photographer would get one good photo in every 2 rolls.
Pre digital you were expected to get 1 in 5 photos good.Most have no idea what photography is. If a person wants to learn photography they should shoot analog and learn the art of what makes a good photo.
ITS ALL ABOUT HOW MANY LIGHT WAVES YOU LET IN.I have a mate whose a very successful photographer, he has made a good living from it for the last 15 years, won awards and all that kind of thing. It burns him hard that film is no more and unfortunately for him technology being what it is today the gap between professional and amateur results is a lot smaller than what it was.
As a result he finds himself getting undercut for work by some kid with a camera who only took up shooting surf photography because they realised they couldn’t make it as a surfer and their parents are loaded enough to kit them out with a top flight camera and lenses. With that introduction to the industry and the “cool” factor they will take jobs for nuthin and then produce results that are 80-90% of what an actual pro could do.
The problem is twofold, you have the kid whose got the safety net of rich parents devaluing the work taking it on cut price for the cool factor and then there’s the surf companies who no longer place value in getting the best result they can or having to pay enough to enable top guys to make a living from it. My mate now makes more money shooting some two bit celeb pap shots than he ever did in surf photography. The advent of the digital age and mass production of cameras that enable even halfwits to obtain acceptable results has devalued the profession enormously.
With that said for the vast majority of the population couldn’t give a stuff about how cameras actually work and are totally happy with the pictures they take on the auto function. No one can go learn on film anymore, as I understand it they have stopped making it.
I know the frustration.. I have NEVER put my camera on auto.. always manual.. and some times av/tv to learn the settings when I first got it…
I spent hours upon hours playing with the camera, lenses, flash, shutter speeds, aperture, trying online tutorials etc,
For me slot of the satisfaction I get from photography is being able to get a photo right from adjusting the settings myself..
My friend liked the photos that came out of my camera.. so she brought an entry level dslr.. to take photos of her horses ( she’s an equestrian coach) and the camera has been on nothing but auto.. and she wonders why I think she wasted her money and why it frustrates me
That’s from when I had time to take photos and play with setting heaps.. then I got promoted and struggle to find the time to go for many photo shoots… which is why it never got finished.. I’d love to redo it one day and actually complete it..
Nice link h0z,
My biggest learning curve came the day I read the user manual for my camera (after I had owned it for 6years), before a day of shooting.
I shot 1000 photos - 900 were good, 250 great, 50 worth publishing and half dozen magazine cover worthy.
Of the 2500 I shot that weekend - I deleted maybe 10.
I’ve heard and seen some horror “ATGNI” stories. (All The Gear No Idea).
Auto/Man/Phone/P&S/Crayon!!!!! If the end result gives an image that pleases the eye, then surely it doesn’t matter what method was used?????
iPhone 4S, with hefe filter used in Instagram!!!!! * You guys mightn’t like it, but I do, and that’s all that counts!!!!!
Ohh, and I’ve got the D5100, and so far I like it, oz!!!!!
Auto/Man/Phone/P&S/Crayon!!!!! If the end result gives an image that pleases the eye, then surely it doesn’t matter what method was used?????
iPhone 4S, with hefe filter used in Instagram!!!!! * You guys mightn’t like it, but I do, and that’s all that counts!!!!!
Yeah, Mizu! Well said. Too many pros in this thread lol
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If the end result gives an image that pleases the eye, [/img]
Mizu
I think this was our point so many people buy a shit hot camera and still can’t take a photo to save themselves! ie it not pleasing to the eye! And they even ask “why are your photos better than mine” (friends have ask this of me when they have a DSLR and I have my shitty point and shot)
I love the image above!
Mizu you have a great eye
And thanks for the 5 cents re the orignal post 
But I also like the direction the thread has gone
so change it right now!
Yes mum!!!
so did you?
Yes!
How it was 5 days off I do not know! Time was correct just 5/6 days out Weird!