Snowboard Brand Chat
Yeah pete, my Signal is very well made. Dave Lee exemplifies the “by snowboarders, for snowboarders” ethos.
Hey I’d love to hear more about your Catalyst board. I really respect what Richard’s been doing.
Chucky I never said a disclaimer was necessary . . .
You may not have intended it, but a disclaimer is pretty much what you described.
TJ is correct in saying that no advice is ever impartial, everyone has their own opinions flavoured by their own personal experiences, a good sponsor will provide demo boards for people so they can test ride them and make thier own decisions, let the product speak for itself.
Impartial advice is opinion, and should be delivered as such. That being said, the more biased a reviewer appears to be about a product, the more they obviously appreciate it, which usually means it’s an awesome product - like the way people on here gush about YES boards.
A “good sponsor” simply gives Boardworld the support it needs to stay viable - a GREAT sponsor “will provide demo boards for people . . .”.
In regards to deleting criticism or negative comments about a forum sponsor, IMO that is denying a sponsor the chance to really shine and prove themselves to the BW community. If a sponsor is able to take the criticism on board and do whatever they can to address the issue to the members satisfaction that really speaks volumes about their customer service and after sales support as well as their professionalism.
In an ideal world, that’d be great - but the actual reality of the situation is that not even the huge multinational ski company snowboard brands could afford the staff required to monitor and respond to every comment about their product on every forum and social media site.
Chucky you may call it semantics but what I have described is a qualifying statement, not a disclaimer, I do not think what i wrote is sufficiently legally jargonised enough to be anything more than a qualifying statement. A disclaimer would be more along the lines of “snowboarding in an inherently dangerous activity and the manufacturer of this XXXXX in no way accepts liability for injury, consequential loss etc etc ad infinitum.
I would like to think that if there was a serious issue with any of the products that a sponsor sells, it could be brought to their attention via email that it required a response on the forum. I am a member of a few different car sites where the forum sponsors are heavily involved in the forum and almost all of them have had to deal with bad press in relation to their products, essentially this is what I had in mind when describing issues as an opportunity for sponsors to really show what they are made of.
Chucky you may call it semantics but what I have described is a qualifying statement.
Fair enough. After going back and re-reading what you initially wrote, I now agree that “qualifying statement” is more appropriate.
After going back and re-reading earlier posts, I came across this ridiculous drivel:
When it comes to brands that are by riders for riders or at least market themselves that way it seems to say to me to be one of two things.
1- Hey we may lack the quality, support and R&D of other more established “evil” corporate brands but rest assured you’ll be supporting grass roots core label which will in turn make you way more cool by association on the hill. This seems to appeal to the alternative trying to be different for the sake of it, customers who will get on their high horse about how much of a rad dude they are for supporting core brands instead of the evil empire that rapes and pillages and lives on the death star in a galaxy far far away who drink the blood of core rad dudes to maintain their youthful good looks and destroy the soul of snowboarding in one fell swoop.
2- It’s a marketing ploy by a major corporate brand that reeks of hypocrisy as they try to scratch into the market niche described in alternative 1 above.
Seriously??????????
It may “seem to say” that to you, but in reality, NEITHER one of those two scenarios even comes close to scratching the surface of the majority of “by rider, for rider” brands. For most, I’d say it’s the polar opposite.
It’s somewhat ironic as well, seeing as how many people buy Mervin Manufacturing’s board brands because they’re under the impression that they’re “cool” brands.
I love lamp.
I love lamp.
You’re so wise. You’re like a miniature Buddha, covered in hair!!!!!
Bark twice if you are in Milwaukee
Yes seriously and tongue in cheek at the same time Chucky, perhaps read it again and tell me which part you think is which, occasionally I like to engage my sense of humour. Actually perhaps maybe not even tongue in cheek, I lose no love to hipster alternative types that all to often follow these type of by riders for riders brands. You may call it stereotyping but stereotypes exist for a reason, I’m sure this something you would agree with.
Endeavor boards are made in china
.....and I just ordered a juice wagon! Stoked!
Not all Endeavor boards are made in china, but yes you are right, the majority are. That new lab they have build in Vancouver is pretty cool, the boards coming out of there are really top notch.
Chucky, i got Rich to make me a 158 rockered twin, I just wanted something for pow, has been a great board, love riding trees with it, seems to turn easily compared to other boards ive had around the same size, but I think thats the effect of the rocker in the pow. Got a 160 directional rockered made a few months ago but havnt tried it yet. For the price i dont think you can go wrong!
Ya but that’s mostly just for the team, Endeavor production boards are made in China.
The vast majority of their production is in china, but they build all the boards they are going to have build in china in vancouver first, They use exactly the same materials as their factory in china will use, once they have the board how they want it they then send production to china.
I think they are planning on doing a few limited edition runs out of the vancouver factory from what i hear to
Chucky, i got Rich to make me a 158 rockered twin, I just wanted something for pow, has been a great board, love riding trees with it, seems to turn easily compared to other boards ive had around the same size, but I think thats the effect of the rocker in the pow. Got a 160 directional rockered made a few months ago but havnt tried it yet. For the price i dont think you can go wrong!
Nice! I heard that he was now experimenting with hybrid rocker/camber/rocker profiles - that right?
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