Buying Oztralian made mate!!
| Poll: How important is buying australian made to you Total Votes: 24 |
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| I love to no matter the price difference | 0  |
| If can and the price is ok i will | 13 |
| Dont really care where my stuff comes from, i want CHEAPPPPP | 11 |
Your right mizu, thats why ive gone down this path so far with trying to keep things made “in-country-house” but some points that have been brought up in this thread have made me actaully wonder if its worth doing so.
That being said the whole purpose of this thread was to find out if that was the case so therefore i guess its been successful, and i hope that being armed with this sort of information and your opnions on my stuff, it will help me not to be one of these flash in the pan labels. I love this sport and want to be part of it for aslong as i can, hopefully buse is a way for me to do so.
how many shirts are you planning on selling a month?
how many prints of the same pattern/design are you going to make?
Are the economies of scale worth buying a heap from china or can you get 1 off prints?
i would start small locally, with a minimum investment, with a better quality fabric/material and see how it goes
from companies i deal, they have told me you basically have to sit in the factory and watch them make the stuff
done a business plan yet?
Your right mizu, thats why ive gone down this path so far with trying to keep things made “in-country-house” but some points that have been brought up in this thread have made me actaully wonder if its worth doing so.
That being said the whole purpose of this thread was to find out if that was the case so therefore i guess its been successful, and i hope that being armed with this sort of information and your opnions on my stuff, it will help me not to be one of these flash in the pan labels. I love this sport and want to be part of it for aslong as i can, hopefully buse is a way for me to do so.
trent
to be honest mate you should not worry what everyone else think and where you make the goods, the one thing you should be worrying is that the quality is EXCELLENT and the price is reasonable and u can be for sure that ppl will come back to you and get/recommend your product to other based on price and quality i doubt that anyone will look where you make it, at the end of the day do you hear anyone say HEY WHERE IS THIS PRODUCT MADE before they buy it ?
this is my 5c wort now hurry up and get that hoody made i want 1.
Would you buy a Great Wall ute cause it’s 10 grand cheaper than it’s Japanese competitor?????
Thats not comparing apples for apples is it.
We are talking about a sub $100 product (hoodies) and you mention a 20 or so thousand dollar ute.I totally agree - i weigh up each purchase for different reasons.
Hoodie… would never pay over $100, same as i would pay over $150 for jeans….
If neither of these were available I would never own/wear them.
Everyone is the same - it is like when we talk about Travel etc and everyone has their different ideas on how to spend money.Like the Shred - Sundeck vs The Station…. Its about what people are willing to pay. Some people staying at the Station may be the difference to whether they come or not…
I always choose quality before price!!!!! (within my budget that is)
I have done the whole cheap thing and replace too many times!!!!! Do it right the first time and do it once!!!!!
I do not have an economics background, nor do I know anything about the rag trade, but here’s my 2c worth anyway. My observations would be that for a standard item where there is significant competition for the same type of product, people look first at price. You can see this with the success of online shopping eg. Book Depository, Amazon etc. If you want to be able to charge a higher price, you need to differentiate somehow. This may be in terms of perceived higher quality (Rolls Royce, Crumpler), better features or performance (think Duracell, IceBreaker), and/or in the case of what you’re selling, more fashionable design (Louis Vuitton, Crumpler). It just doesn’t seem to me that anyone cares about whether the item was made locally, as virtually everything is made in China and people have come to accept that, if somewhat grudgingly. It therefore seems to me your best chance of success would be to manufacture in China, maybe paying a little extra for a quality job, and get sales on the strength of your fashion value vs competing products.
Have you talked to any stores eg. Tonik in Barwon Heads to see what they think? Have you gauged interest outside of BW forums? Might be worth your while having a look at Kickstarter, if you haven’t already.
Would you buy a Great Wall ute cause it’s 10 grand cheaper than it’s Japanese competitor?????
Thats not comparing apples for apples is it.
We are talking about a sub $100 product (hoodies) and you mention a 20 or so thousand dollar ute.I totally agree - i weigh up each purchase for different reasons.
Hoodie… would never pay over $100, same as i would pay over $150 for jeans….
If neither of these were available I would never own/wear them.
Everyone is the same - it is like when we talk about Travel etc and everyone has their different ideas on how to spend money.Like the Shred - Sundeck vs The Station…. Its about what people are willing to pay. Some people staying at the Station may be the difference to whether they come or not…
I always choose quality before price!!!!! (within my budget that is)
I have done the whole cheap thing and replace too many times!!!!! Do it right the first time and do it once!!!!!
but mizu you got to understand one thing at least me i am never person to buy cheap stuff or stuff that may broke in a month, but my all argument here is if he can make it good quality and make it in china or where ever else and if he can sell it for 70 instead of 140 he will make more money and sell more hoodies.
here is the perfect example
i had opertunity for someone to get me boots from usa for half of the price here so i accepted it on this :
1) Burton SLX was suppose to be best boot on themarket and most expansive
2) no need for molding or for anything else (as it meter effect you cant mold it or do anything to it.)
3) burton says slip it on and enjoy the ride
so on all the reviews and blah blah i decided to buy it, and it shows that not everything you buy has to be best of the best, and at the end of the day if the hoodie lasts me 1 season i will be very happy as we all know we all like to change stuff i mean i had chemical storm board for not even a season and i am already thinking how to scab some money of boss to get new board like YES Joystick
yes i know that i should not buy boots from the net and that needs to be fitted properly etc but even when i got them they fit so well and they where so comfy when i was wearing the around the house, so in that deference even if i went to the shop and tried them on i would of loved them but i am sure i would of had same problem.
i hope i make sense
I do not have an economics background, nor do I know anything about the rag trade, but here’s my 2c worth anyway. My observations would be that for a standard item where there is significant competition for the same type of product, people look first at price. You can see this with the success of online shopping eg. Book Depository, Amazon etc. If you want to be able to charge a higher price, you need to differentiate somehow. This may be in terms of perceived higher quality (Rolls Royce, Crumpler), better features or performance (think Duracell, IceBreaker), and/or in the case of what you’re selling, more fashionable design (Louis Vuitton, Crumpler). It just doesn’t seem to me that anyone cares about whether the item was made locally, as virtually everything is made in China and people have come to accept that, if somewhat grudgingly. It therefore seems to me your best chance of success would be to manufacture in China, maybe paying a little extra for a quality job, and get sales on the strength of your fashion value vs competing products.
WELL SAID and that is basically what i am saying. where its made it make no difference as long as the price is right and quality is good,and at the end of the day we are still buying a product from Australian person or business.
the way I see this,
YOU are making a business venture. YOU are Australian.
if in order to make your Australian business grow you need to get labor from overseas.. then thats just business.
If we as consumers buy YOUR product (regardless of where it is made) then we are supporting YOU as a LOCAL business.
in the same way that we try to support local snow shops who are selling overseas made products.
the way I see this,
YOU are making a business venture. YOU are Australian.
if in order to make your Australian business grow you need to get labor from overseas.. then thats just business.
If we as consumers buy YOUR product (regardless of where it is made) then we are supporting YOU as a LOCAL business.in the same way that we try to support local snow shops who are selling overseas made products.
yeah, nothing wrong with selling it as “designed in Australia”
There was nothin wrong with the quality of ya boots lano!!!!! They weren’t made for your foot!!!!!
Actually manufacturing good quality items in another country really requires you to be at that country throughout the process, in order to make sure thing go as you plan!!!!! This will add greatly to your bottom line!!!!!
As someone pointed out before (CRACKERS I think?????), when Jez had the Boardworld hoodies made through a factory in China, they were actually a disaster!!!!! Yet this was after they had supplied the Boardworld Tees that are a complete success!!!!! Jez has now gone to RAD and is usin their manafacturin base and expertise with the next load of Boardworld hoodies!!!!! Even though they are most likely made in China they will be dearer as they will be better made!!!!!
Cheap and Cheerful is not always the best way to go, imho!!!!! It wont have longevity in the brand!!!!!
I used to own a retail shop, and saw many cheep labels come and go!!!!! I can remember when Kustom shoes (owned by Billabong) came into the surf market, with it’s main objective to make cheap footwear and undercut the competition!!!!! This not only killed it as a brand, but bought down a few brands that tried to compete with it!!!!! Globe bein one of them!!!!!
I want to add one more thing; I virtually never buy full priced retail items - especially clothes - unless it’s something I need immediately. I pretty much only buy when stuff is on sale, which in these post-GFC times is quite often. I would hesitate to buy unless I’m getting 30% or more off, preferably 50%. I bought nearly all of my new snowboard kit at MSC in their sale last year for about 30% off.
There was nothin wrong with the quality of ya boots lano!!!!! They weren’t made for your foot!!!!!
Actually manufacturing good quality items in another country really requires you to be at that country throughout the process, in order to make sure thing go as you plan!!!!! This will add greatly to your bottom line!!!!!
As someone pointed out before (CRACKERS I think?????), when Jez had the Boardworld hoodies made through a factory in China, they were actually a disaster!!!!! Yet this was after they had supplied the Boardworld Tees that are a complete success!!!!! Jez has now gone to RAD and is usin their manafacturin base and expertise with the next load of Boardworld hoodies!!!!! Even though they are most likely made in China they will be dearer as they will be better made!!!!!
Cheap and Cheerful is not always the best way to go, imho!!!!! It wont have longevity in the brand!!!!!
I used to own a retail shop, and saw many cheep labels come and go!!!!! I can remember when Kustom shoes (owned by Billabong) came into the surf market, with it’s main objective to make cheap footwear and undercut the competition!!!!! This not only killed it as a brand, but bought down a few brands that tried to compete with it!!!!! Globe bein one of them!!!!!
good point - don’t shoot yourself in the foot with lowest price and poor quality. You have to at least match the quality of your competitors.
There was nothin wrong with the quality of ya boots lano!!!!! They weren’t made for your foot!!!!!
Actually manufacturing good quality items in another country really requires you to be at that country throughout the process, in order to make sure thing go as you plan!!!!! This will add greatly to your bottom line!!!!!
As someone pointed out before (CRACKERS I think?????), when Jez had the Boardworld hoodies made through a factory in China, they were actually a disaster!!!!! Yet this was after they had supplied the Boardworld Tees that are a complete success!!!!! Jez has now gone to RAD and is usin their manafacturin base and expertise with the next load of Boardworld hoodies!!!!! Even though they are most likely made in China they will be dearer as they will be better made!!!!!
Cheap and Cheerful is not always the best way to go, imho!!!!! It wont have longevity in the brand!!!!!
I used to own a retail shop, and saw many cheep labels come and go!!!!! I can remember when Kustom shoes (owned by Billabong) came into the surf market, with it’s main objective to make cheap footwear and undercut the competition!!!!! This not only killed it as a brand, but bought down a few brands that tried to compete with it!!!!! Globe bein one of them!!!!!
Mizu ur misunderstanding me i think , i hate buying cheap stuff what i am trying to get is this, he is starting out, considering DC and Burton have hoodies that are waterproof and what not and they are charging 80 to 100 if he goes and makes them here and sells them for 170 look at the difference.
i think we are going in circle here
all i am going to say is this.
if he can make it in Australia for decent price ie under 100 i am happy to buy if its going to cost me 170 i dunno will really have to think about it and see what is his hoodie so special over the others.
There was nothin wrong with the quality of ya boots lano!!!!! They weren’t made for your foot!!!!!
Actually manufacturing good quality items in another country really requires you to be at that country throughout the process, in order to make sure thing go as you plan!!!!! This will add greatly to your bottom line!!!!!
As someone pointed out before (CRACKERS I think?????), when Jez had the Boardworld hoodies made through a factory in China, they were actually a disaster!!!!! Yet this was after they had supplied the Boardworld Tees that are a complete success!!!!! Jez has now gone to RAD and is usin their manafacturin base and expertise with the next load of Boardworld hoodies!!!!! Even though they are most likely made in China they will be dearer as they will be better made!!!!!
Cheap and Cheerful is not always the best way to go, imho!!!!! It wont have longevity in the brand!!!!!
I used to own a retail shop, and saw many cheep labels come and go!!!!! I can remember when Kustom shoes (owned by Billabong) came into the surf market, with it’s main objective to make cheap footwear and undercut the competition!!!!! This not only killed it as a brand, but bought down a few brands that tried to compete with it!!!!! Globe bein one of them!!!!!
good point - don’t shoot yourself in the foot with lowest price and poor quality. You have to at least match the quality of your competitors.
and my points is exactly that if the quality is good make them where ever you want as long as the price is right for ppl buying your product.
I want to add one more thing; I virtually never buy full priced retail items - especially clothes - unless it’s something I need immediately. I pretty much only buy when stuff is on sale, which in these post-GFC times is quite often. I would hesitate to buy unless I’m getting 30% or more off, preferably 50%. I bought nearly all of my new snowboard kit at MSC in their sale last year for about 30% off.
Hells yes - I rarely pay full RRP.
Some good points brought up, definite food for thought!
One of the major upsides of getting it made here in Australia is the ease of quality control, which is one of my main concerns with outsourcing internationally. The only way I can ensure my chances in getting good product from O.S. is to use suppliers that other companies have used with success, eg radical BUT is that info they’d care to share or would they see it as a conflict of interests??
Another point is the shipping & freight. The time frames and costs can be nearly none existent using an Australian supplier especially one in melbs where I can pick up the goods myself.
Which is also a safety net of sorts over the quality control. I can go in and check how things are going in my lunch break instead of waiting days for a sample to arrive from O.S. and if a shipment is wrong or unacceptable for whatever reason, arguing face to face would bring about results much quicker than email/phone.
My main goal is to deliver a quality product for the best possible price that people dig and want to buy, and if your saying that Australian owned and designed is as good as Australian made these days then its something ill look into.